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Re: NFC: Re: Collecting and BP...ETC


Chris,

  Whatever axe you have to grind with Robert should be done in private and
NFC business should NOT be used for that purpose.  Your "one man
crusade" has fallen on deaf ears I am afraid.  There are too many of us
out there busting our humps on our own time, without any acknowledgments
(and not looking for any).  I've taken several people out collecting,
answered questions from curious people, have been asked for help with
research at my local university and supplied beginners and veterans with
fish when asked for.  I don't do this for cudos, I do this to help inform
people and "spread the word".  No, I haven't mentioned it, since I receive
no compensation from the NFC I don't think I need to take the time as I am
busy enough as it is and I am a VOLUNTEER.  You can be too.  It's easy to
sit back and carp at others for what they have or have not done, but
remember before you do that that none of us if perfect.  Including
yourself.  So why don't YOU volunteer locally and help out instead of
ragging on others about NON-issues?

Luke


On Tue, 27 Nov 2001, Christian J Hedemark wrote:

> Luke said:
> > Okay, I've kept out of this mostly up until now...but I want to say
> > something.  I for one am not too concerned about where my measely $10
> > membership per year (which I need to get in the mail ASAP) goes.
> 
> Oh, neither am I.  I am concerned where my measly $10 goes when it is
> combined with yours, and Boo's, and Wally's, and everyone else's.
> 
> > The fact
> > that the NFC has and is providing education to many about native fish
> > species is what is paramount here...not who cashes the checks.
> 
> I'd like some more concrete examples of that, please.  THAT is what I have
> been asking for.  I'm not saying there is anything improper going on with
> the money necessarily.  But what IS going on with it is a mystery.  If there
> is actual NFC-sponsored education going on, let's hear more about it.  The
> lines of communication are fairly closed right now, which could be
> discouraging to others who may want to get involved but don't *see* anything
> else happening.
> 
> > For that
> > matter as a 501c corp. we have to keep our finances "out in the open" as
> > it is.
> 
> Forgive me, I am not adept at navigating through IRS forms.  How exactly can
> I find this out?  Where are the monthly reports filed?
> 
> > Plus, considering our small member base, it's not like we are
> > talking huge bucks here.
> 
> I'm not worried so much about how much money we're talking about here, but
> where it is going and how effective that has been for the concerns of the
> NFC.
> 
> > I also don't like the idea of tampering with the
> > length of the terms.  I still think that is a flaw in NANFA's
> > administration, as it gives practically no time to implement policies and
> > ideas before "new" people come rushing in to further their own
> > agendas.
> 
> Our current officers have had almost three years now I think to implement
> policies and ideas.  I have seen Robert doing a lot of the work single
> handedly.  Who are the other officers?  I don't even know who the club
> officers are (this would be good to have on the front page of the web site
> perhaps).  I see where you are coming from, but I respectfully disagree.  A
> shorter term is an incentive to get more done in less time, and make your
> mark on club history  through accomplishments.  If someone wants to be in
> office for more than one year, they have an incentive to get lots of stuff
> done so we will keep them in office.
> 
> > It's happened in the past and the organization (which as a whole
> > I like, but there are individuals I have nothing but utter cotempt
> > for) has suffered greatly from such interal "politiking".  I want none of
> > it here.  If individuals don't like the way things are going, my simple
> > advice is to either just accept it or leave.  We don't need this kind of
> > silly debate in this organization.  It's petty, divides us, and draw
> > attention away from our main purpose.
> 
> Luke, this is such a bitter approach.  "Accept it or leave".  How about
> "Accept it or change it"?  Oh, it would be a lot easier for me to just shut
> up and leave.  I'm sure some of you would like that.  Maybe I will, who
> knows.  Personally I think with a good kick in the pants and some reform in
> how we do business, this club could do a lot more for the cause of endemic
> fishes than it is doing today.
> 
> How come when someone comes in here and offers constructive criticism,
> rather than really answering the tough questions, the response I get back is
> the use of juvenile tactics such as calling my suggestions "petty" or
> "silly".  How, sir, do you expect to be taken seriously when this is how you
> treat the concerned opinions of a fellow member that is trying to make a
> positive difference?  Whether I am WRONG or not is not the point, but how
> the ideas and opinions are recieved.  If your opinion was really based on
> good reasoning, you would be able to soundly blast me out of here by
> addressing my points one by one and show me I am being silly without calling
> the opinion silly explicitly.  Rather, the response I have gotten was
> general negativity without ANYONE yet showing accountability for club
> resources collected & spent.
> 
> I have seen Robert post a few times, and it is really frustrating, that some
> of the direct issues I took up have STILL not been answered.  I am
> *delighted* that a financial report will be in the next flier, and that is
> ONE of the things I asked him.  Robert, why are you evading me?  I never
> accused you of anything, but you evade my questions and points as if I were
> Kenneth Star and you were President Clinton.  This is nothing of the sort.
> This is a concerned club member addressing the club president about club
> business, asking directly for consideration of points that I think will have
> a positive impact on the club.  If I am wrong, fine, but at least give me
> the respect of directly addressing my points and either agreeing or debating
> them on their merits.
> 
> Pastor Chris
> 
> 
>
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