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Re: NFC: Re: Collecting and BP...ETC

Well put!!  Greg

mcclurg luke e writes: 

> Chris, 
>   Whatever axe you have to grind with Robert should be done in private and
> NFC business should NOT be used for that purpose.  Your "one man
> crusade" has fallen on deaf ears I am afraid.  There are too many of us
> out there busting our humps on our own time, without any acknowledgments
> (and not looking for any).  I've taken several people out collecting,
> answered questions from curious people, have been asked for help with
> research at my local university and supplied beginners and veterans with
> fish when asked for.  I don't do this for cudos, I do this to help inform
> people and "spread the word".  No, I haven't mentioned it, since I receive
> no compensation from the NFC I don't think I need to take the time as I am
> busy enough as it is and I am a VOLUNTEER.  You can be too.  It's easy to
> sit back and carp at others for what they have or have not done, but
> remember before you do that that none of us if perfect.  Including
> yourself.  So why don't YOU volunteer locally and help out instead of
> ragging on others about NON-issues? 
> Luke 
> On Tue, 27 Nov 2001, Christian J Hedemark wrote: 
>> Luke said:
>> > Okay, I've kept out of this mostly up until now...but I want to say
>> > something.  I for one am not too concerned about where my measely $10
>> > membership per year (which I need to get in the mail ASAP) goes. 
>> Oh, neither am I.  I am concerned where my measly $10 goes when it is
>> combined with yours, and Boo's, and Wally's, and everyone else's. 
>> > The fact
>> > that the NFC has and is providing education to many about native fish
>> > species is what is paramount here...not who cashes the checks. 
>> I'd like some more concrete examples of that, please.  THAT is what I have
>> been asking for.  I'm not saying there is anything improper going on with
>> the money necessarily.  But what IS going on with it is a mystery.  If there
>> is actual NFC-sponsored education going on, let's hear more about it.  The
>> lines of communication are fairly closed right now, which could be
>> discouraging to others who may want to get involved but don't *see* anything
>> else happening. 
>> > For that
>> > matter as a 501c corp. we have to keep our finances "out in the open" as
>> > it is. 
>> Forgive me, I am not adept at navigating through IRS forms.  How exactly can
>> I find this out?  Where are the monthly reports filed? 
>> > Plus, considering our small member base, it's not like we are
>> > talking huge bucks here. 
>> I'm not worried so much about how much money we're talking about here, but
>> where it is going and how effective that has been for the concerns of the
>> NFC. 
>> > I also don't like the idea of tampering with the
>> > length of the terms.  I still think that is a flaw in NANFA's
>> > administration, as it gives practically no time to implement policies and
>> > ideas before "new" people come rushing in to further their own
>> > agendas. 
>> Our current officers have had almost three years now I think to implement
>> policies and ideas.  I have seen Robert doing a lot of the work single
>> handedly.  Who are the other officers?  I don't even know who the club
>> officers are (this would be good to have on the front page of the web site
>> perhaps).  I see where you are coming from, but I respectfully disagree.  A
>> shorter term is an incentive to get more done in less time, and make your
>> mark on club history  through accomplishments.  If someone wants to be in
>> office for more than one year, they have an incentive to get lots of stuff
>> done so we will keep them in office. 
>> > It's happened in the past and the organization (which as a whole
>> > I like, but there are individuals I have nothing but utter cotempt
>> > for) has suffered greatly from such interal "politiking".  I want none of
>> > it here.  If individuals don't like the way things are going, my simple
>> > advice is to either just accept it or leave.  We don't need this kind of
>> > silly debate in this organization.  It's petty, divides us, and draw
>> > attention away from our main purpose. 
>> Luke, this is such a bitter approach.  "Accept it or leave".  How about
>> "Accept it or change it"?  Oh, it would be a lot easier for me to just shut
>> up and leave.  I'm sure some of you would like that.  Maybe I will, who
>> knows.  Personally I think with a good kick in the pants and some reform in
>> how we do business, this club could do a lot more for the cause of endemic
>> fishes than it is doing today. 
>> How come when someone comes in here and offers constructive criticism,
>> rather than really answering the tough questions, the response I get back is
>> the use of juvenile tactics such as calling my suggestions "petty" or
>> "silly".  How, sir, do you expect to be taken seriously when this is how you
>> treat the concerned opinions of a fellow member that is trying to make a
>> positive difference?  Whether I am WRONG or not is not the point, but how
>> the ideas and opinions are recieved.  If your opinion was really based on
>> good reasoning, you would be able to soundly blast me out of here by
>> addressing my points one by one and show me I am being silly without calling
>> the opinion silly explicitly.  Rather, the response I have gotten was
>> general negativity without ANYONE yet showing accountability for club
>> resources collected & spent. 
>> I have seen Robert post a few times, and it is really frustrating, that some
>> of the direct issues I took up have STILL not been answered.  I am
>> *delighted* that a financial report will be in the next flier, and that is
>> ONE of the things I asked him.  Robert, why are you evading me?  I never
>> accused you of anything, but you evade my questions and points as if I were
>> Kenneth Star and you were President Clinton.  This is nothing of the sort.
>> This is a concerned club member addressing the club president about club
>> business, asking directly for consideration of points that I think will have
>> a positive impact on the club.  If I am wrong, fine, but at least give me
>> the respect of directly addressing my points and either agreeing or debating
>> them on their merits. 
>> Pastor Chris