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Re: Greenhouse Lights ....Cops raid!

Folks,

I have seen the discussion about cops raiding houses and taking lists of customers from hydroponics and light suppliers.

This is unfortunately true. The suppliers will rarely, if ever, ask for a warrant. They do not want to antagonize the authorities,
and that is provided that they even know that they have a right to refuse consent to a search of their premises, which includes
their records, or that a warrant is even required. I have heard of attempts to pass laws requiring the keeping of lists and the
presentation of those lists on request of police.

Please note that this is all a result of the drug war here in the U.S., and innocent people, from grandfathers to teenage girls
running away in terror, have been shot to death by police during 3 AM raids. It is something to take very seriously.

If you experience something like this, contact an attorney immediately, or have your survivors do so. Also consider having your
attorney ask the ACLU for help. They are extremely interested in violations of civil rights of innocent people as a result of the
drug war and may be able to give your attorney guidance or even assistance if the case is substantial enough in Constitutional
issues.

One way around this, which I hesitate to recommend because it angers me that we have to consider this in our supposed free society,
is to make sure that any and all areas that you have your equipment in are visible from outside the building it is housed in. Keep
your windows uncovered and all areas visible. Frightening thought that this has to be considered.

Sieg heil, comrades, All glory to the State, yadda yadda yadda.....
Tom




> Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 14:32:18 -0500
> From: Dwight <boukmn at mindspring_com>
> Subject: Greenhouse Lights ....Cops raid!
>
> I got a question offlist requesting clarification on my "red flag" comment
> about cops and buyers of hydroponic equipment.
>
> I've been reading the list for a couple years now and bsaed on several
> conversation on this list I've undersotood that in some locales cops get
> all the hydroponic store owners to fork over lists of their costumers.
> These costumers are later surrupticiously investigated.  If they meet a
> certain "profile" they get raided!  I have no idea what this "profile" is
> but if cops could have raided James Purchase who himself works for an
> enforcement agency, then this profile may well be fairly broad indeed.  It
> simply made this a possible REALITY for me that normal people could be
> targeted!
>
> [Incidentally, James just told me offlist that they didn't in fact bust up
> his stuff and they were very nice about the raid.  However, under Canadian
> law they could have been MUCH more intrusive and disruptive and had they
> chosen to be that way].
>
> The feeling I got was people who buy hydroponic equipment are ALL treated
> as potential "suspects" by Law-enforcement and may be secretly investigated
> till proven otherwise.  I undersood from the postings that they may raid
> your house to see for themselves (using the "profile" as probable cause)!
> I'm just not sure how universal that policy is.  I'm just afraid to have my
> plant business disrupted by a bunch of bungling eager-beever flatfoots
> trying to make a name for themselves on the 6-0'clock news.
>
> Substrate Nutrient Injector:
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>