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Re: NFC: Snake River dam removal proposal

Hi Scott
actually it was the stream  bypasses. Several popped
in with ill-considered arguements against them,
including one who is supposed to be a biologist in
that area who has worked with salmon.

one arguement was that private owners(in desert areas)
wouldnot want these streams across their lands.
jake

--- Scott Olson <olson7 at hotmail_com> wrote:
> Without knowing for sure, Jake, I assume the idea
> that met with resistance 
> was the 'predator control'.  It's interesting that
> the obvious solutions to 
> many of our problems (ecological and other) are
> often passed by because they 
> are now politically unacceptable - not that I'm
> egomaniacal enough to insist 
> that my proposals for resolving any problem are
> necessarily the best!
> 
> It just seems to me that if the goal is to protect
> salmon and the population 
> is waning, that protection of the spawning runs from
> all threats natural or 
> man-made should be explored.
> 
> We have a somewhat similar problem in Arizona (where
> I now live).  Feral 
> burros are decimating the natural habitat, eating
> the native desert bighorn 
> sheep and mule deer out of house and home.  Yet any
> real attempt to control 
> the numbers of these beasts is met with extreme
> opposition from the animal 
> rights people.  They are noisy enough, and I guess
> numerous enough that they 
> are effective in stopping control of the burros -
> much to the detriment of 
> native species.
> 
> I could cite a number of similar situations -
> mountain lions in California, 
> wolf re-introduction to the lower 48, etc.
> 
> It's too bad, but it seems that a lot of people love
> 'nature' without 
> bothering to understand it.  I guess it comes down
> to this:  Are we going to 
> do all we can to save the salmon runs?  I'm afraid
> the answer to that is 
> probably not.
> 
> Instead of doing things that will obviously help the
> fish to survive, we opt 
> for ineffective, but politically acceptable cures. 
> For a couple of years 
> (this may still be occuring) they were actually
> netting smolts, then barging 
> or trucking them down the Columbia, past all the
> dams before releasing them 
> back into the river.  The results were less than
> spectacular, as you might 
> imagine, and the effort was very costly.
> 
> Well, enough on this.  Sorry if I've rubbed anyone
> the wrong way!
> 
> Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to all list
> members!
> 
> Scott
> 
> >From: jake levi <jlevi_us at yahoo_com>
> >Reply-To: nfc at actwin_com
> >To: nfc at actwin_com
> >Subject: Re: NFC: Snake River dam removal proposal
> >Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2000 04:24:23 -0800 (PST)
> >
> >I would like to see the discussion if emotions can
> be
> >controlled.
> >
> >I mentioned one of his ideas on another list and it
> >was
> >put down by several. The idea of the stream
> bypasses
> >is one being considered by many and has been
> offered
> >as a possible solution to a bad problem. As Scott
> >mentions, the abrupt breaching of these dams will
> >cause incredible siltification of the downstream
> areas
> >which could itself wipeout the threatened
> populations
> >there.
> >
> >In hindsight it appears the dams were/are a bad
> idea.
> >Replacing them with a worse idea is to be avoided.
> >
> >Some of the bypasses have been estimated to be
> doable
> >for 5 to ten million, wheras complete removal of
> some
> >of the dams could be in the billions.
> >
> >Lets look at these suggestions of Scotts.
> >jake
> >--- BR0630 at aol_com wrote:
> > > In a message dated Thu, 21 Dec 2000 11:04:01 PM
> > > Eastern Standard Time,
> > > robertrice at juno_com writes:
> > >
> > > << Might I reccomend this forum for a polite
> > > discussion of the issues. it
> > > will be a real education for all of us on the
> > > matters at hand and the
> > > science model.
> > >
> > >
> > > I agree with Robert.  Much of what Scott
> suggests
> > > squares with other first
> > > hand accounts I have heard.
> > >
> > > Bruce Scott
> > > Meridian, Idaho
> >
> >
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