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That's a thought.  If we go on an ERP, trip can we keep what we find (that
we can/don't  want to put back into the waterway)??  JiM C.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Sachs" <deano at aquaculturestore_com>
To: <nfc at actwin_com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2000 6:30 PM
Subject: RE: NFC: ERP IS BACK!!!

> I don't think the idea should be enforcement, but a code of ethics.  The
> point is removal.
> Would be an interesting research subject to find out which States, if any,
> have a no-release policy regarding 'foreign' organisms.  It's probably
> posted somewhere.  I know Florida is fairly adamant about putting in
> anacheris :)(I think that's the one clogging our byways.)
> I think the policy is fairly clear on the ERP page, which implies removal
> the primary concern, and whether they are eaten, sold, or euthanized is
> actually a by-product of removal.
> A code of ethics for aquarists would be a good idea as far as sales go.
> A recipe book would also be appropriate (I think there are a few recipes
> the NFC site).
> And, methods for euthanization should be there as well which I know would
> include standard fishing practices such as a fishing license, appropriate
> fishing gear, and any other applicable laws regarding harvesting and
> handling.  (I believe some of this is also covered under "follow the
> applicable State Laws".
> As far as territory goes for shipping -  An aquarium is an aquarium
> it lie.... Of course, when I first read the "Mason Dixon line" I took it
> a funny :)  I still do.  I wouldn't mind getting breeder sized fish
> personally.  And Titusville is only a few hours South.  So, I'd hate to be
> excluded from picking up some breeder sized fish just because I live in
> Florida...
> Paul
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-nfc at actwin_com [mailto:owner-nfc at actwin_com]On Behalf Of
> Doug Dame
> Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2000 3:31 PM
> To: nfc at actwin_com
> Subject: Re: NFC: ERP IS BACK!!!
> Luke (mcclurgl at washburn_edu) wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> ...question: How do you "enforce" this restriction?
> Ten generations down the line, who knows what fish
> came from where and what grandpa promised to
> whom?  The idea shows thought, but I feel is totally
> unworkable.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> Point well taken, this is not "enforceable" in any reasonably practical
> it's effectiveness would clearly depend on an honor system / moral
> commitment on the part of the recipients of ERT-provided exotics.
> However, the current "re-distribution of fish rule" implies that we take
> care of this issue simply by shipping (southern) exotic fish north of the
> Mason Dixon line. Enforcement by presumed biology, I guess. That doesn't
> seem to offer a very good level of environmental protection in my
> amateur opinion. In many cases we seem to have these problems with
> nonindigenous species precisely because we didn't understand the
> bio-implications or adaptability of critters that were intentionally
> introduced with nominally good intentions. To paraphrase the chaos theory
> character from Jurassic Park, "Life will find a way."
> A somewhat extremist view would be to decide that any and all nonindigeous
> critters collected by NFC recognized ERTs will be (humanely) killed,
> or as soon as is reasonably possible. This would presumably cut down on
> "feral recidivism" rate. This seems extreme to me, we could be killing
> ERT-caught U.S. specimens of some fish at the same time that LFS and
> consumer demand is causing the continued wild-capture of the same species
> the Amazon or elsewhere.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> Ten generations down the line, who knows
> what fish came from where and what grandpa
> promised to whom?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> Well, my answer to that is that ten generations down the line, I
> hope that we are not tracking "this fish came from a restricted use
> parentage, but these two over here didn't."   I hope by then we'll have
> elevated the general level of public awareness on the issue, through use
> our unenforceable "no re-release" policy etc., to the point that EVERYONE
> will accept, as an article of unquestionable faith, that WE NEVER RELEASE
> Doug Dame
> Interlachen/Gainesville FL