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Re: [APD] Removes "heavy metals"?

If I am wrong...at least say that!
hoo well...
:(

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "António Vitor" <antonio_vitor at sapo.pt>
To: "aquatic plants digest" <aquatic-plants at actwin_com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 12:58 PM
Subject: Re: [APD] Removes "heavy metals"?


> I posted 2 times, made a question...
> and no answers !
>
> that is annoying...
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "António Vitor" <antonio_vitor at sapo.pt>
> To: "aquatic plants digest" <aquatic-plants at actwin_com>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 12:53 PM
> Subject: Re: [APD] Removes "heavy metals"?
>
>
> > Is only my impression, or my posts are being neglected???
> >
> > António Vitor
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Laith Arif" <laith at swissonline_ch>
> > To: "'aquatic plants digest'" <aquatic-plants at actwin_com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 7:35 AM
> > Subject: RE: [APD] Removes "heavy metals"?
> >
> >
> > > So I guess there isn't really an issue here.  The conditioner is not
> going
> > > to have an impact on the ferts/nutrients/traces for the plants.
> > >
> > > Thanks for clearing that up!
> > >
> > > Laith
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: S. Hieber [mailto:shieber at yahoo_com]
> > > Sent: 17 August 2004 00:42
> > > To: aquatic plants digest
> > > Subject: RE: [APD] Removes "heavy metals"?
> > >
> > > I believe Dr. Morin's basic point was that Prime "grabs"
> > > the heavy metals before iron and such.
> > >
> > > Scott H.
> > > --- Laith Arif <laith at swissonline_ch> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Ok, thanks for the info and the links.
> > > >
> > > > So Greg Morin is correct when he says "This should not be
> > > > an issue unless
> > > > you are really wanting to keep high levels of lead,
> > > > mercury and cadmium ;-)
> > > > (all toxic heavy metals)."?
> > > >
> > > > It's mainly these toxic heavy metals that are
> > > > removed/neutralized?
> > > >
> > > > The reason I asked in the first place was just wondering
> > > > whether at every
> > > > water change and the addition of the conditioner, I was
> > > > basically starting
> > > > out with water "bare" of all metals and needed to take
> > > > this into account
> > > > when dosing ferts and traces.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for the input.
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > >
> > > > Laith
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: S. Hieber [mailto:shieber at yahoo_com]
> > > > Sent: 16 August 2004 11:36
> > > > To: aquatic plants digest
> > > > Subject: Re: [APD] Removes "heavy metals"?
> > > >
> > > > None of hte elements in the aquariumare, say, converted
> > > > to
> > > > energy -- if they are there before the conditioner is
> > > > added, they are there afterwards. It's a matter of the
> > > > chemical or ionic bonds and what compounds are in the
> > > > tank.
> > > >
> > > > Conditioners that "remove" chloramine break up the
> > > > compound
> > > > into constituents that can then remain separate or
> > > > recombine with other elements to form new compounds.
> > > > Something that breaks up chloramine could leave your tank
> > > > with a sudden dose of ammonia.
> > > >
> > > > Some conditioners bind the elements and bind some
> > > > so-called
> > > > heavy metals. The metal elements are not gone, but tied
> > > > up
> > > > in a compound that is presumably less risky to fish or
> > > > plants. Some conditioners, like SeaChem Prime break up
> > > > chloramine and then "grab" the nitrogen in a new compound
> > > > less harmful to fish but still available to plants as a
> > > > nutrient.
> > > >
> > > > There is an order of "preference" for what metals a
> > > > conditioner will grab.
> > > >
> > > > There are lots of posts in the archives. Here are a few:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > http://fins.actwin.com/aquatic-plants/month.200102/msg00171.html
> > > >
> > > >
> > > http://fins.actwin.com/aquatic-plants/month.200302/msg00030.html
> > > >
> > > >
> > > http://fins.actwin.com/aquatic-plants/month.200303/msg00029.html
> > > >
> > > > It matters what conditioner you use. If you have
> > > > chloramines, you want something thatdoesn't leave you
> > > > with
> > > > a sudden dose of ammonia. As for trace metals, I don't
> > > > think it's an issue. If there is nothing else to bind,
> > > > some
> > > > iron might be bound but the amount is small and a worthy
> > > > trade-off for gaurding against chlorine, chloramine, and
> > > > heavy metals. And the bound iron can still be gotten by
> > > > the
> > > > plants eventually.
> > > >
> > > > Good luck, good fun,
> > > > Scott H.
> > > > --- Laith Arif <laith at swissonline_ch> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm curious to know what exactly my water conditioner
> > > > > (JBL Biotopol) means
> > > > > by "removes heavy metals"... Does anyone know?
> > > > >
> > > > > Just wondering if besides removing chlorine and
> > > > > chloramine it's also
> > > > > removing useful plant nutrients (micro and/or macro).
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > =====
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> > > >
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> > > > Aquarium_ will discuss soil
> > > > supplemented aquarium substrates at the 2004 AGA
> > > > Convention.
> > > >
> > > > Convention Details/Registration at aquatic-gardeners.org
> > > > & gwapa.org
> > > >
> > > >
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