On 10/07/97 at 03:48 p, Bob Dixon Aquatic Plants Digest) said: >If your only problem is the Vortex's clumsiness, ands tendancy to >fall over,.... My problem with Vortex was that it consistenly broke jars in a catastrophic way and Vortex refused to deal with it. -- Dave Gomberg, FormMaestro! http://www.wcf.com gomberg at wcf_com Help stop Internet spam! Join CAUCE: http://www.cauce.org/