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Re: e. red flame and plant ID's

Raymond Wong wrote:
>Hmm I have both the red ozelot and the e. red flame they look quite
>different, seems the red flame has much more red specks/blotches in the
>I'll post some pictures of it later once it adapts to my tank.. it's already
>has new leaves shooting out so i'll see how the leaves turn like in my tank

What I have been calling the red flame "may" be the same as what other
people call red ozelot. When I first got mine a few years ago, it was
called red ozelot and I think later acquired the name red flame.  It was
originally developed by Hans Barth Nursery in Dessau and is being sold by
both Tropica and Florida Aquatic Nursery. Exact same plant. It is not
common knowedge that many of Tropica's "unusual" plants are available here
in the US. I think I got mine directly from FAN, so I am pretty sure I have
the same plant. If you look at the tropica web page, it shows a picture of
red flame... exactly as I described: new leaves with green blotches on a
mostly red leaf... older leaves more green.

Another factor is the number of different ozelots that may really be out
there. I think there may be other ozelots besides the original green and
the red. Some of these may be coming out of Singapore, like Oriental
Aquarium. So, it IS possible that there is another variant floating around.

Still another factor is the variation in young vs mature plants which I
mentioned before, AND the variation from tank to tank. All of the leaves of
my young plants are dark red.

Now on my soap box...
With plants in general, and with hybrids in particular, use of common names
and mislabeling has always been a problem. Mostly by the LFS, but also by
transhippers and even growers. What starts out as one plant ends up as
something different by the time it gets into the LFS tank. (This problem
should be eliminated when the grower includes the plant ID tag, like some
now do with the potted plants.... otherwise, the LFS is guessing from the
order list.... and is further complicated when a uncommunicated
substitution is made). Some of the mislabelings are extremely obvious, but
what is clear to one person is less obvious to the other... especially the
unknowedgable staff at the LFS. Moreover, some growers intentionally use
incorrect names because that is what their clients are used to. All of this
makes it extemely difficult for us plant enthusiasts who want to know what
plant they have. Knowing the source and its history therefore becomes VERY
important. Many of us are now keeping track of where our plants came from
(i.e. from what LFS, from what aquarist, and if possible from what nursery
or collecting location).... and for some plants, like crypts, we even need
to get them to flower.  This will help with our understanding of why my
plant looks or behaves different than yours. It could be my conditions, or
it could be because I have a different species or different "variant" of
the same species or hybrid . This has been long known to be important among
the fish people and more recently among some plant specialists (i.e. crypt
hobbyists). But it is also important for other genus too (e.g. Echindorus,
Vallisneria). This way, we can also be less hung up on knowing the precise
scientific name (like the catfish people with their L numbers, we can give
our plants P numbers.) It will also make us less inclined to lump
everything into one name.
....off soap box.



Raymond, what do you think are the differences between your red ozelot and
red flame?


. At 09:35 PM 1/12/2002 -0800, you wrote:
>   Sorry have to clarify something about your last  post did you say the
>red flame is the red ozelot or is  that just an example, cause i also have
>the red and green ozelot inmy  tanks   thanks Raymond Wong
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