Re: [APD] Disposing of Unwanted Fish

["TBarber" <terbarb at alltel_net>]

Scott............I can refute your "not know you are feeling pain" issue.
Unfortunately, I have dealt with chronic pain off and on for about 15 years
now.   I have experienced often the situation where I'm not feeling well (or
maybe feeling grumpy) and later on realize that I am having "pain" - paying
more attention to it.........makes me aware of what the "discomfort" really
is.    I believe this is adaptive behavior.....It's very much like having a
radio on in the background.   The sensation becomes too "loud" and you
cannot actually tune it out any longer - time for medication perhaps.   In
time, I have become very good at being able to "tune it out" - learning to
minimize my "attention" to the unpleasant sensation.    And thankfully, due
to some better diagnosis - it's rarely if ever a problem now.   It is
amazing how your own brain can mess with you.

The other second "pain" situation I can relate is probably only possible
with some interesting drugs on board.  When I had my daughter by C-section -
The spinal anesthesia did not completely work - I was well aware of the fact
that I was being gutted like the pike in the previous story.   However,  As
I told the anesthesiologist at the time - That really hurts but it's like it
hurts somebody else - the sensation of pain was "far away".   Doesn't make
sense really but I knew there was "pain" - right after I said that - they
shot me full of something and out went the lights.  lol.

TerryB
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "S. Hieber" <shieber at yahoo_com>
To: "aquatic plants digest" <aquatic-plants at actwin_com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 2:00 PM
Subject: Re: [APD] Disposing of Unwanted Fish


> If the inflicter or inflictee is not aware?
>
> If inflicter, then I'd say sure, I can feel a lot of pain ieven i fyou
don't know you just stepped on my dogs.
>
> On the ontehr side, I don't think I can have a pain that I don't feel,
especially ones that I have no capacity to feel. I might on rare ocassions
be uncertain about whether a particular sensation is pleasurable or painful,
but that's a whole diff thing.
>
> sh
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Chris Hotte <ecwh73 at gmail_com>
> To: aquatic plants digest <aquatic-plants at actwin_com>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 1, 2007 1:49:43 PM
> Subject: Re: [APD] Disposing of Unwanted Fish
>
>
> . . .
> Granted rocks aren't in possession of any sort of neurons....
> I guess your plant argument boils down to (no pun inten....) to: Is
> cruelness only limited to those who are aware?
> A fair question. Lets stand it on it's head: Is it cruel to maim and
> otherwise inflict pain if the inflicter is not aware of their acts?
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