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Re: Question on CO2, aeration, fish load, and water...
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> From: Aquatic-Plants-Owner at actwin_com
> [mailto:Aquatic-Plants-Owner at actwin_com]
> Sent: Friday, October 08, 1999 3:48 PM
> To: Aquatic-Plants at actwin_com
> Subject: Aquatic Plants Digest V3 #1316
>
>
>
> Aquatic Plants Digest Friday, October 8 1999 Volume 03 :
> Number 1316
>
>
>
> In this issue:
>
> SAE mail order source
> Re: pesticide and herbicide persistence in soils
> Re: SAE's
> Re:SAEs attacking Angels
> Re: Aquatic Plants Digest V3 #1315
> aerating at night
> Re: Aquatic Plants Digest V3 #1315
> Re: Question on CO2, aeration, fish load, and water...
> Re: Bethesda, MD
> Sv: Aquatic Plants Digest V3 #1315
> Hydrogen as the limiting nutrient?
>
> See the end of the digest for information on unsubscribing from the
> Aquatic Plants mailing list and on how to retrieve back issues.
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> Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 06:29:19 -0400
> From: "Cathy Hartland" <hartland at nfis_com>
> Subject: SAE mail order source
>
> Peter Aitken wrote:
> >Cathy Hartland stated there are mail order sources for SAE's on the
> >web. Please, where? I have gotten so desparate that I wheedled my
> >wife into lending me one of her SAE's but that's not enough (and she
> >wants it back!).
>
> Try Aquatics Unlimited:
> http://bestfish.com/ushop/index.cgi?ID=U8RVHG&task=show&cat=Livestoc
> k
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 06:43:33 -0400 (EDT)
> From: Ed Street <br at ldl_net>
> Subject: Re: pesticide and herbicide persistence in soils
>
> Hello,
>
> One alternative to use is to shop organic ;) This way there will be very
> very little chemical residue that has nasty side effects, etc.. With
> organic the 1/2 life should be fairly short if allowed to cure properly
> before introducing into aquaria.
>
> Ed
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 06:45:49 -0400 (EDT)
> From: Ed Street <br at ldl_net>
> Subject: Re: SAE's
>
> Hello,
>
> One reason why they are so hard to find is they are taken from the wild.
> As for the availability where you are at i'm guessing that's an import
> area??
>
> Ed
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 07:08:04 EDT
> From: IDMiamiBob at aol_com
> Subject: Re:SAEs attacking Angels
>
> Ken Guin writes:
>
> > I have just had something happened that I have never seen
> mentioned on the
> > APD before. I have eight SAEs in my 110g heavily planted tank.
> The sizes of
> > the SAEs range from about an inch (six of them) to about four
> inches (two
> of
> > them). I also have eight adult angels in the same tank.
> >
> > About two weeks ago, I noticed one of the big male angels
> turned sideways
> in
> > the tank. I thought he could have been in stress, so when I
> looked closer,
> I
> > noticed one of the smaller SAEs nibbling on the angel's fins. This
> > particular angel had long flowing veils and the SAE was going
> after them.
> It
> > seemed that the angel was turning sideways in an attempt to
> prevent the SAE
> > from nibbling on his fins.
> >
> > I watched for a few more minutes and noticed that two more of
> the SAEs were
> > also nibbling on this angel's fins. Several days later, I
> noticed that the
> > smaller SAEs were doing the same thing to another angel with long fins.
> > Since I had never noticed this before, I thought the angels would
> eventually
> > take care of themselves because they were much larger than the SAEs.
> >
> > Well, I was wrong. For the past week, the SAEs continued to pester the
> > angels and yesterday when I came home from work both were
> dead. Other than
> > the angels' fins being somewhat frayed, there were no other signs of
> stress.
> > These were very healthy two-year old angels and the remaining
> six are in
> > great shape, so I don't think they died from disease or bad tank
> parameters.
> >
> > If the angels died because of the SAEs' harassment (and I believe they
> did),
> > could it be that the SAEs were starving from lack of algae and
> they decided
> > to feed on the angels' fins. Has anyone else ever noticed such
> SAE behavior
> > before?
> >
> > Any suggestions as to what might be going on here would be greatly
> > appreciated?
>
> I have 4 SAEs and eight angels in a planted 55 gallon. So far,
> no problem.
> I have two possible sugestions, and without actually being there,
> I can't say
> either of them is even close to correct.
>
> 1) Are you sure you have SAEs and not flying foxes? If not,
> check some of
> the web-photos to be sure.
>
> 2) Algae and fungus are pretty similar in "feel" (let's not get a
> flamefest
> going now about systemic differences, I know the differences.).
> maybe they
> taste similar. Are you sure the angels didn't have something growing on
> their fins? It's unlikely that the SAEs would develop a taste
> for fin and
> then stop when their first targets were gone. I had a CAE once (and only
> once) that slowly and systematically wiped out the majority of my
> tank before
> I figured it out.
>
> I've had swords nipping at angel fins until they were pretty
> tattered, but
> the angels never died from it.
>
> Bob Dixon
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 08 Oct 1999 07:58:13 -0500
> From: Christopher Weeks <clweeks at eclipse_net>
> Subject: Re: Aquatic Plants Digest V3 #1315
>
> Michael Dubinovsky <mikluha at ix_netcom.com> wrote:
>
> > or call your
> > insurance agent - would they cover fishes or not. Mine asked me for fish
> > photos, so I'm thinking about scanning couple pictures of top-$$$$
> > discus:))).
>
> > it would be
> > nice to have UPS for heater back-up, but it can be costly. Or
> you can buy
> > it Dec 25 at CompUSA and bring back on Jan 5.
>
> > one guy used propane heater for his fish tanks...
> > Nobody knows why (propane is cheaper then electrycity, but why he did
> > prefer to use it instead stealing electricity...
>
> Maybe he thought stealing was unethical?
>
> - --Chris
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 08 Oct 1999 08:13:20 +0000
> From: klaus.schoening at jungle_org
> Subject: aerating at night
>
> You may want to consider adding a refugium to your tank with plants.
> While the main tank is dark (at night) you can light the refugium as
> long as you exchange water between the two tanks, you should be able
> to maintain a more even distribution of O2 in your tank. You would
> need to have some way of pumping water into the refugium and then
> returning it to the main tank without the light spilling into the main
> tank. So the light cycle on the refugium is exactly the opposite of the
> main tank, and there is no continuous O2 depletion.
>
>
>
>
> - -> I use air-pump at night. SOme time ago I've noticed that fishes (even
> - -> pl*cos which practically never shows from their hiding places) stays
> - -> near surface. I even lost couple SAE (somebody mentioned they are
> - -> very "weak" guys and can't stand for low-oxigen conditions).
> I have a
> - -> jungles in my tank, so I decided to turn air-pump on. Now I use
> - -> timer...every time I clean the tank I promise myself to install
> - -> photo-relay (or just a simple relay) to turn pump on and off.
> or via FTP to ftp.actwin.com in /pub/aquaria/aquatic-plants.
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 08 Oct 1999 06:51:33 -0700
> From: Dave Gomberg <gomberg at wcf_com>
> Subject: Re: Aquatic Plants Digest V3 #1315
>
> At 03:48 AM 10/8/1999 -0400, Ken Guin reported:
> >I noticed one of the smaller SAEs nibbling on the angel's fins....
> >yesterday when I came home from work both were dead.
>
> Ken, I believe it is a near certainty those are not SAEs. Please see:
>
> http://www.aquatic-gardeners.org/cyprinid.html
>
>
> - --
> Dave Gomberg, San Francisco mailto:gomberg at wcf_com
> For low cost CO2 systems that work: http://www.wcf.com/co2iron
> Tropica MasterGrow in the USA: http://www.wcf.com/tropica
> - -----------------------------------------------------------------
> From: Gerry Skau <gerry at ans_net>
> < With the high fish population and the tank having been setup for only a
> < week or so, I'm a bit worried about ammonia content. < snip>
>
> Wow-that is a really heavy load to put on a tank only a week after setting
> it up. I would strongly recommend to anyone giving a new planted tank a
> month before adding fish to it. Since I started doing this I have never
> had any algae problems in new tanks.
>
> You are courting an algae disaster IMHO.
Thanks for the warning Gary, I visited "The Aquarium Center" outside
Baltimore and couldn't stop myself from getting all those fish. It's about
an hour and a half drive and I didn't want to make several trips. The place
was just huge, with hundreds of tanks filled with many variety of health
plant and fish species. So it was a bit of a "kid in candy store" feeling
that lead me to load up on plants and fish. Hope it all goes okay. No
algae yet, just healthy fish with growing and bubbling plants. Really enjoy
the oxygen bubble streams.
Reason for this reply is to ask for advice on what can be done to minimize
chances for algae disaster you mention.
Cheers,
Mark.