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Re: Aquatic Plants Digest V3 #241

Hi to all...Does any one know whether Arizona Aquatic Gardens has a website
or an e-mail address? Thanks.....Charles..
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Date: Sunday, May 03, 1998 2:55 AM
Subject: Aquatic Plants Digest V3 #241

>Aquatic Plants Digest       Sunday, May 3 1998       Volume 03 : Number 241
>In this issue:
> Re: Aquatic Plants Digest V3 #240
> CO2 Solenoid Valves
> Clay as bacterial substrate?
> Ca vers Na compounds
> Flags
> Re:Problems with Cryptocorynes
> Re: Plant trimming
> Re: Aquatic Plants Digest V3 #240
> Horizon Growers
> Gypsum
> Plant Legislation, also an Anubias Question
> Re: Blackboard Chalk
>See the end of the digest for information on unsubscribing from the
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>Date: Sat, 02 May 1998 14:41:35 -0700
>From: Dave Gomberg <gomberg at wcf_com>
>Subject: Re: Aquatic Plants Digest V3 #240
>At 03:48 PM 5/2/1998 -0400, Roger S. Miller guessed:
>>All that aside, the dominant product under common environmental
>>conditions is N2.
>Not according to Tim Hovanec, who did his thesis on original work he did on
>this question.  He wrote it up in that obscure journal, AFM.
>- --
>Dave Gomberg mailto:gomberg at wcf_com
>FormMaestro  <http://www.wcf.com>
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>Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 22:43:49 +0100
>From: "A M Moore" <andy at ascot_u-net.com>
>Subject: CO2 Solenoid Valves
>Does anyone have experience with decent solenoid valves ?
>Mine is linked up to the lights & gets very hot when the lights are on -
>ie.solenoid is letting through CO2. It is stone cold when lights are off as
>you would expect.
>Do solenoids run quite hot to the touch normally (mainly the end CO2 pipe
>connectors) ?
>Thanks !
>andy at ascot_u-net.com
>Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 16:34:46 -0700
>From: schmidt at coyote_csusm.edu (Michael Schmidt)
>Subject: Clay as bacterial substrate?
>In all the discussions I have seen about clays and laterites, the CEC is
>presumed to be the only relevant effect. What about clay particles being a
>substrate for bacteria? Could this also affect nutrient processing within
>the aquarium?
>Plant people seem to put less of an emphasis on bacteria, because the
>plants take care of nitrogenous waste for us (for the most part). But
>outside the plant world, aquarists focus on surface area of their
>filtration media because the nitrifying bacteria need a place to attach to.
>Hence the sintered glass, the fluidized bed silica reactors, the activated
>charcoal, the ceramic pellets and the lava rock. Clay particles have lots
>of surface area. Does presence of clay in the substrate increase bacterial
> Maybe we don't need the nitrifying bacteria for oxidation of ammonia and
>nitrite, but maybe we do need them, or other substrate-anchored bacteria,
>for processing of other nutrients. I don't know what form the phosphorus in
>fish waste is, nor what form plants prefer it in, but might bacteria play a
>role in any necessary conversion? Many bacteria produce siderophores which
>chelate iron into a complex which many plants can exploit. K+, Mg2+ and
>NH4+ we don't need bacterial help with, of course, but perhaps there are
>other micronutrients which bacteria can produce or process.
>Michael Schmidt
>California State University, San Marcos
>San Marcos, CA
>Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 19:26:05 EDT
>From: Dennis8425 <Dennis8425 at aol_com>
>Subject: Ca vers Na compounds
>In discussion on softners and reversing them a point needs to
>be clarified.  In many softners the Ca ions are replaced with Na]
>ions making the water "softer"  Somehere I remember hering that
>an excess of Na ions in the water is harmful to many fresh water
>Can anyone confirm this?
>Date: Sat, 02 May 1998 19:45:36 -0500
>From: August Eppler <augiee at bellsouth_net>
>Subject: Flags
>Saw American Flags at Petsmart today, tank had two price stickers, $5.59
>and $1.29 (didn't ask). $1.29 is the going rate around here. Also they
>were tagged as American Flagfish Danios, go figure. I also have to say
>that they were very nice specimens, good size, shape, and color, fins
>weren't clamped, very active. If I would have been in need of some, I
>wouldn't have hesitated.
>Augie Eppler
>Green Cove Springs, Fl.
>Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 18:59:09 -0500
>From: krombhol at teclink_net (Paul Krombholz)
>Subject: Re:Problems with Cryptocorynes
>>Chazz Hesselein wrote Sat, 2 May 1998:
>>I have several species of Cryptocoryne in my 75 gallon community tank.
>>are all exhibiting he same symptom.  The margins of their leaves curl down
>>inward.  In addition none of them are growing as lushly as I would like.
>>tank conditions are as follows:
>>        75 gallon community tank
>>        200 W Fluorescent lights
>>        pH 7.0
>>        KH 1 degree
>>        GH 5 degrees
>>        Fe 0.1 ppm
>>        Nitrate 5 ppm
>>        Ammonia and Nitrite 0 ppm
>>I fertilize with PMDD at 0.5 ml/day and 0.1ml/10 liters of water change.
>>try to change 15-25 gallons weekly but sometimes only make it every other
>>week.  Filtration consists of an Emperor 250 and a Penguin 180.  No carbon
>>dioxide.  Any ideas as to the cause of my Cryptocoryne leaf curl and lack
>>lush growth?
>The downward curling is natural in submersed C. beckettii, but I have never
>seen it in C. wendtii or some other submersed forms I have.  I don't think
>it is a symptom of bad health of the plant.  The lack of lush growth may be
>due to the substrate not having very much organic matter and possibly to
>the lack of CO2 enrichment.  I get the best growth of submersed crypts if I
>do three things: (1) I keep them pretty much by themselves, or at least the
>most numerous plants in the tank, (2) they have a 50:50 by volume mix of
>peat and soil, and (3) they get CO2 additions.
>Paul Krombholz, in cool central Mississippi.
>Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 19:59:55 EDT
>From: Dennis8425 <Dennis8425 at aol_com>
>Subject: Re: Plant trimming
>In a message dated 98-05-02 17:06:08 EDT,
> OK, the other plant that has grown out of the water is a Apon ulvaceus.
> It appears to be a flower stem--the part that grew out it a single stem
> w/a bud still inside the stem (hasn't bloomed yet), but is waving out of
> the water!
> Another plant that is almost to the top is a crinum natans.  I will have
> to do something to it today I'm sure. >>
>There was a prior mentioning about the stalks of Amazon Sword plants.
>With the Amazon sword stalks I make it a practice to bend these down
>and weight them so they are on the surface of the gravel.  Usually from
>doing this I get baby plants in a few days.
>As far as trimming leaves that are getting to big I have found this usually
>more detrimental than helpfull.  Usually it is the newer leaves that are
>bigger than othe older growth that is starting to dye out.  By removing
>new growth  I have killed several beutiful plants.  The other course I find
>works better is to transplant the plant into a bigger aquarium mainly one
>taller.  Unfortunatly my tallest aquariums are 24" high so when the plants
>these tanks they usually go back to the LPS.  When the LPS sees plants this
>size there eyes usually pop up with desire.
> <<I am very amazed how quickly these plants are growing--they are all
> sending out roots like crazy--it must be my lighting(400W MH).  I do
>  >>
>Kelly with 400Watts of power how big are these tanks?  And what are you
>as a cycling time?
>Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 20:08:21 EDT
>From: Dennis8425 <Dennis8425 at aol_com>
>Subject: Re: Aquatic Plants Digest V3 #240
>In a message dated 98-05-02 17:06:08 EDT, Aquatic-Plants-Owner at actwin_com
><< I have several species of Cryptocoryne in my 75 gallon community tank.
> are all exhibiting he same symptom.  The margins of their leaves curl down
> inward.  In addition none of them are growing as lushly as I would like.
> tank conditions are as follows:
> 75 gallon community tank
> 200 W Fluorescent lights >>
>Crypts used to be my favorate plant.  Some of the things that I have about
>Crypts is that there will not survive in the tanks where my Amazons thrive.
>years of experimentation I have come to the conclusion lighting is one of
>biggest keys to keeping crypts.
>My best success with crypts were in 29 gallon tanks with only 20 watts of
>lighting for 18 hours a day and darkness for 6 hours a day.  Under these
>they usually multiplied to the point where I'd have to thin out 50% of the
>every 3 months.
>Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 19:27:06 -0500
>From: "Thomas Vickers" <redroach at sprynet_com>
>Subject: Horizon Growers
>i just put new plants in my 55 gal. tank and I found the plant food I
>purchased last year when I purchased plants
>from Renricks(I will never do this again).
>It is marked
>Horizon Growers  Aquatic Plant Food.
>Does anyone know anything about this stuff?
>It has no list of ingredients and I was just wondering.
>ALso, I highly recommned Arizona Aquatic Gardens.
>My plants were wonderful. I have never seen such large and beautiful Java
>Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 19:48:23 -0500
>From: danowens at juno_com
>Subject: Gypsum
> Hello.  I recently brewed a 5 gallon batch of beer.  In the
>recipe they asked you to add gypsum to the water to lower the ph.  The ph
>in my community fish tank is pretty high at 7.8   I have been trying to
>lower the ph with out adding a lot of chemicals.  I have been buying
>gallons of water from the store which goes through reverse osmosis.  It
>seems to be lowering the ph slowly.
> Does anyone have any idea about adding gypsum to a community
>tank?  Will it hurt the fish at all or will the be ok?
> Thanks,
>     Dan
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>Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 23:19:23 EDT
>From: JOlson8590 <JOlson8590 at aol_com>
>Subject: Plant Legislation, also an Anubias Question
>One of the fascinating things about the Internet is both the amount of
>accurate information that comes from unexpected sources, and the number of
>Pages that you don't know about!
>Mark, in Texas, is correct regarding Iowa and Parrots Feather. There was a
>series of articles recently in the Sunday Des Moines Register ("The
>Iowa Depends upon") about exotics in Iowa, and they were VERY specific
>Parrots Feather, and used the Latin name, Myriophyllum aquaticum, and
>it "Parrots Feather," and further detailed how it was innocently used in
>Ponds but had escaped. One of the DNR Biologists was directly quoted,
>times, along with a Conservation Officer.
>Well, golly gee whiz!  Mark's reference to the Iowa DNR Web page is
>correct. I was unaware that they even HAD a page!  Now I know why I am so
>happy. Ignorance is bliss. :-/
>The law is quite specific, referring to Myriophyllum spicatum, Eurasian
>Milfoil. I would suppose that a "correction" was printed, obscurely, in one
>the Daily papers. :-(
>Now you know why I tend to view excited reporting about such things as, for
>example, Scandals In Washington with some doubt as to what REALLY may or
>not have happened. Ah, well, the good thing about this country is the way
>skeptics keep us all from being entirely brainwashed, even about "exotic
>plants." Well, some of the time, anyway! :-)
>So, I will again get some Parrots Feather, and enjoy it. I have been warned
>that, should I be successful in getting Lotus established in a four and a
>acre pond I own, I will never be able to eradicate it. I think it is
>acceptable, however.
>I knew about Eurasian Water Milfoil, also Lythrum salicaria, Purple
>Loosestrife, but couldn't pull them out of my memory when writing my
>post. Sorry, folks. May Day Brain Paralysis, I guess. :-/
>Any suggestions about how to get Reed Canary Grass out of my big pond?  It
>just about ruined it for any use. Kind of a Canary Grass Jungle, and I
>literally have to POLE my way about. No fun at all, unless I feel like
>pretending I am in the African Queen.
>Anubias Question:  I have some very large, OLD specimens of A. nana, the
>variety, which are growing out of their tanks. Should I "nick" the stems
>leave them for a few weeks before severing them, or just slice 'em off?  I
>want to plant the ends in other tanks, and I hope to keep them growing,
>as little setback as possible. As you all know, Anubias are definitely
>NICE aquarium plants, but they do seem to require a very patient attitude.
>Cheers, all!
>Jean Olson
>JOlson8590 at AOL_com
>Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 21:24:04 -0700 (MST)
>From: Michael D Nielsen <mnielsen at U_Arizona.EDU>
>Subject: Re: Blackboard Chalk
>Actually it is neither of these materials.  Blackboard chalk is made from
>the very tiny (less than 5 microns diameter) critters called coccoliths
>and they are calcite which is CaCO3 in a hexagonal form.
>Just being a "prig" or trying to fulfill by duty to the list.
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