Re: [APD] Aquatic-Plants Digest, Vol 62, Issue 7

["Dan Barrett" <dansbdk at verizon_net>]

My buddy decided to use carbon after having the tank established a year, &
it was running perfectly!,
He never had a problem with green water before.
Why he decided to use carbon all of a sudden? a newbie to aquaculture I
guess!
I warned him not to, he did, got greenwater. he removed it, did water
changes, reduced lightening, it was gone!
Case closed.

I have read in scientific books that phophorous does leach out of carbon
into the water colum.
And from what I've seen commonly happen, I'm even more convienced each time
green water appears, and carbon is in the equation that it's carbon in the
filter that's the culprit! Remove the carbon, back off on the light
duration, do water changes, and the problem will disappear.
Or you can do nothing, and the tank will cycle out in a couple months, and
will usually cure it's self .

To the person who made the comment about being slammed for sharing!?! I see
exactly what you mean!
It's little wonder anyone speaks in here! If you share any wisdom,
(wisdom = knowledge + experience), someone has to shoot it down!

I have 37 years of aquarium experience both in fresh, and saltwater tanks.
I'm not a newbie, nor am I an idiot! I know exactly what I'm talking about
before I share....

This will be my last comment in this forum!






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>    3. Re: Aquatic-Plants Digest, Vol 62, Issue 6 (Dan Barrett)
>    4. Re: Green Water (Jerry Smith)
>    5. Re: Aquatic-Plants Digest, Vol 62, Issue 6 (BRiaN Forsythe)
>    6. Plants "closing" (Mark Havemann)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 12:46:10 -0400
> From: "Bill" <billpers at comcast_net>
> Subject: Re: [APD] Pogostemon helferi
> To: <aquatic-plants at actwin_com>
>
> Carol,
>
> Here's a link to several sources of  Pogostemon helferi.
>
>
http://www.aquaticplantcentral.com/forumapc/search.php?searchid=981166
>
> Bill
>
>
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 10:08:08 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Eric Deese <edeese at yahoo_com>
> Subject: [APD] looking for plant
> To: aquatic-plants at actwin_com
>
> After a long break from the hobby, I am back at it again. Years ago, I had
large anubias barteri and anubias coffeeafolia that I originally obtained
from George Booth. If anyone has a healthy stock of either growing and would
be willing to sell some, please contact me off list. All that I have been
able to find has small leaves. I am looking for plants with leaves that are
1.5 to 2.0 inches across. I would be most interested if anyone has some that
I may have traded with 5 or more years ago.
>
> Eric Deese
> Columbus, Ohio  USA
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2008 13:11:19 -0400
> From: "Dan Barrett" <dansbdk at verizon_net>
> Subject: Re: [APD] Aquatic-Plants Digest, Vol 62, Issue 6
> To: <aquatic-plants at actwin_com>
>
> A buddy of mine just got over a a real bad green water problem . Seems he
> had used carbon in his filter after I warned him not to. (Carbon leaches
> phosphorus into the water causing alge blooms)
> (His nick name is "Bone head" in case your'e wondering!)
> Anyway, I suggested that he stop using carbon in his filter, cut back on
his
> "lights on" schedule, keeping it to "8 hours on" at a time only. And do
> water changes daily, or every few days until it cleared up.  It took about
> 10 -.14 days to clear up.
>
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> >    1. Re: importance of this list (REDRAGON40 at aol_com)
> >    2. Chemicals (Joe Wunsch)
> >    3. Ebb and flow (Jorge Quintana)
> >    4. Green Water (Caddy579 at aol_com)
> >    5. Re: Green Water (TBarber)
> >    6. Re: Green Water (Misha Petrenko)
> >    7. Re: Green Water (Harry Martin)
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> > Message: 1
> > Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 13:18:33 EDT
> > From: REDRAGON40 at aol_com
> > Subject: Re: [APD] importance of this list
> > To: aquatic-plants at actwin_com
> >
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 10/8/2008 12:03:37 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, Diana
> > writes:
> >
> > I really  depend on this list because I learned so much from the
botanist
> > types,  physics, electrical, chemical and all others. The hobby can be
as
> simple
> > or as  complex as you wish.  The idea I had was to take from it, what I
> could
> > understand and ask about the rest that interested me personally.
> >
> > I loved to trade because so many on the list would have extra and this
> would
> > often help others who were just beginning like me back then.  It  also
put
> > pressure on the hobby to try and come up with some newer plant
varieties.
> I
> > still am amazed that no one has yet to bring in some of the  newer sword
> plant
> > hybrids from Germany; I have only seen 2 varieties.  I  got something
new
> (not
> > german or hybrid?)from Aquabotanic - echinodorus  vesuvius that is very
> lovely
> > in my tank.
> > I agree.  I would hate to see this list die.  I read every single  one,
> but
> > most of the time I just lurk.  By the way, anyone know where I can  get
> some
> > Pogostemon helferi?
> > Carol   < ' )))><
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> > Message: 2
> > Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 14:50:17 -0400
> > From: "Joe Wunsch" <wunsch4 at tricot_mgacoxmail.com>
> > Subject: [APD] Chemicals
> > To: <aquatic-plants at actwin_com>
> >
> > Who is the person handling the plant chemicals, thought it changed hands
> > last year to California
> >
> >
> >
> > Joe Wunsch
> >
> > 1301 Craddock Way
> >
> > Macon, GA 31210
> >
> > tel: 478-471-9338
> >
> > fax: 478-477-6398
> >
> > cell: 478-731-1578
> >
> > email: wunsch4 at tricot_mgacoxmail.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 3
> > Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 15:01:58 -0600
> > From: Jorge Quintana <jorge at quintanalawoffice_com>
> > Subject: [APD] Ebb and flow
> > To: <aquatic-plants at actwin_com>
> >
> > I just came back to the list after setting up a new 90 gal tank. Im
pretty
> isolated here in montana, in regards to aquatic plants. I rely on this
list
> and enjoy every post.
> >
> > If anyone does have any intersting plants, id be interested in buying.
> Thanks.
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 4
> > Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 00:02:26 EDT
> > From: Caddy579 at aol_com
> > Subject: [APD] Green Water
> > To: aquatic-plants at actwin_com
> >
> >
> >
> > I'll try again if for no other reason than to liven things up.
> >
> > I have a tank with a terrible green water problem, I posted about a
month
> ago
> > and someone suggested a blackout. I turned off the lights and put a
> blanket
> > over it for 4 days-no help. I bought some Clear Water liquid-no help. I
> really
> > don't do anything different in this tank than in the other 3 in the
room,
> one
> > below and 2 right next to it. It's a 29 gallon.
> >
> > Any suggestions? I can't see more than maybe half an inch into the tank.
> >
> > Gerry Skau
> > All The World's A Stage, But The Play Is Badly Cast---Oscar Wilde
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 10/8/2008 12:03:21 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> > aquatic-plants-request at actwin_com writes:
> >
> > Message: 1
> > Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2008 13:24:06 -0400
> > From: "Jerry Smith" <jerrytheplater at hotmail_com>
> > Subject: Re: [APD] plant trade, sale or give-aways
> > To: aquatic-plants at actwin_com
> >
> > I for one would be glad to explain anything I have written and won't
jump
> > down anyone's throat if they don't understand. So please ask. I remember
> > when this list came out multiple times per day and had many posts each
> time.
> > There were some very good discussions. Just look in the archives. If you
> > don't know how, just ask.
> >
> > Jerry Smith
> > Bloomingdale, NJ
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> > ------------------------------
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> > Message: 5
> > Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 00:21:53 -0400
> > From: "TBarber" <terbarb at alltel_net>
> > Subject: Re: [APD] Green Water
> > To: "aquatic plants digest" <aquatic-plants at actwin_com>
> >
> > get a small uv clarifier ...just kill it.  You can fuss with the water
> > chemistry forever but this is a fast cure.
> >
> > TerryB
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: <Caddy579 at aol_com>
> > To: <aquatic-plants at actwin_com>
> > Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 12:02 AM
> > Subject: [APD] Green Water
> >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > I'll try again if for no other reason than to liven things up.
> > >
> > > I have a tank with a terrible green water problem, I posted about a
> month
> > ago
> > > and someone suggested a blackout. I turned off the lights and put a
> > blanket
> > > over it for 4 days-no help. I bought some Clear Water liquid-no help.
I
> > really
> > > don't do anything different in this tank than in the other 3 in the
> room,
> > one
> > > below and 2 right next to it. It's a 29 gallon.
> > >
> > > Any suggestions? I can't see more than maybe half an inch into the
tank.
> > >
> > > Gerry Skau
> > > All The World's A Stage, But The Play Is Badly Cast---Oscar Wilde
> > >
> > >
> > > In a message dated 10/8/2008 12:03:21 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> > > aquatic-plants-request at actwin_com writes:
> > >
> > > Message: 1
> > > Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2008 13:24:06 -0400
> > > From: "Jerry Smith" <jerrytheplater at hotmail_com>
> > > Subject: Re: [APD] plant trade, sale or give-aways
> > > To: aquatic-plants at actwin_com
> > >
> > > I for one would be glad to explain anything I have written and won't
> jump
> > > down anyone's throat if they don't understand. So please ask. I
remember
> > > when this list came out multiple times per day and had many posts each
> > time.
> > > There were some very good discussions. Just look in the archives. If
you
> > > don't know how, just ask.
> > >
> > > Jerry Smith
> > > Bloomingdale, NJ
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> > ------------------------------
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> > Message: 6
> > Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 22:01:57 -0700
> > From: "Misha Petrenko" <mpetrenko at iname_com>
> > Subject: Re: [APD] Green Water
> > To: "aquatic plants digest" <aquatic-plants at actwin_com>
> >
> > One thing that worked well for me in a new tank was a diatomaceous
filter.
> > It filters out on micron level and after 2-3 one hour runs the problem
was
> > gone. Not to mention the water is crystal clear when you run it. I used
> > Vortex brand of diatom filter. And no - you cannot put the diatomaceous
> > earth into regular filter of any kind - it is too fine and will ruin
> > everything.
> >
> > Hope it helps.
> >
> > > get a small uv clarifier ...just kill it.  You can fuss with the water
> > > chemistry forever but this is a fast cure.
> > >
> > > TerryB
> > >>
> > >> I'll try again if for no other reason than to liven things up.
> > >>
> > >> I have a tank with a terrible green water problem, I posted about a
> month
> > > ago
> > >> and someone suggested a blackout. I turned off the lights and put a
> > > blanket
> > >> over it for 4 days-no help. I bought some Clear Water liquid-no help.
I
> > > really
> > >> don't do anything different in this tank than in the other 3 in the
> room,
> > > one
> > >> below and 2 right next to it. It's a 29 gallon.
> > >>
> > >> Any suggestions? I can't see more than maybe half an inch into the
> tank.
> > >>
> > >> Gerry Skau
> > >> All The World's A Stage, But The Play Is Badly Cast---Oscar Wilde
> > >>
> > >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 7
> > Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2008 09:20:08 -0400
> > From: Harry Martin <harry at harrymartincartoons_com>
> > Subject: Re: [APD] Green Water
> > To: aquatic-plants at actwin_com
> >
> > I would also try weekly water changes until the problem is gone,
> > 25% to 50%.
> >
> > -- 
> > Harry Martin
> > Casper, WY
> >
> >
> >
> >
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>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2008 13:55:37 -0400
> From: "Jerry Smith" <jerrytheplater at hotmail_com>
> Subject: Re: [APD] Green Water
> To: aquatic-plants at actwin_com
>
> I've only had green water once. I didn't do anything as I didn't care what
> the tank looked like. After about 2 months it disappeared by itself and
> hasn't returned since.
>
> Jerry Smith
> Bloomingdale, NJ
>
>
> >Message: 4
> >Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 00:02:26 EDT
> >From: Caddy579 at aol_com
> >Subject: [APD] Green Water
> >To: aquatic-plants at actwin_com
> >
> >
> >
> >I'll try again if for no other reason than to liven things up.
> >
> >I have a tank with a terrible green water problem, I posted about a month
> >ago
> >and someone suggested a blackout. I turned off the lights and put a
blanket
> >over it for 4 days-no help. I bought some Clear Water liquid-no help. I
> >really
> >don't do anything different in this tank than in the other 3 in the room,
> >one
> >below and 2 right next to it. It's a 29 gallon.
> >
> >Any suggestions? I can't see more than maybe half an inch into the tank.
> >
> >Gerry Skau
> >All The World's A Stage, But The Play Is Badly Cast---Oscar Wilde
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2008 14:02:43 -0400
> From: BRiaN Forsythe <megasycophant at gmail_com>
> Subject: Re: [APD] Aquatic-Plants Digest, Vol 62, Issue 6
> To: aquatic plants digest <aquatic-plants at actwin_com>
>
> I wouldn't jump to the conclusion that carbon was leaching phosphorus
> into the water column, especially since green water is usually caused by
> an ammonia/nitrite spike.  Carbon use definitely wasn't a good idea, but
> i'd be more worried about it sucking the phosphate OUT of my water! ;)
>
> Check this out:
>
http://www.barrreport.com/general-plant-topics/4216-green-water-help.html#post24708
>
> Dan Barrett wrote:
> > A buddy of mine just got over a a real bad green water problem . Seems
he
> > had used carbon in his filter after I warned him not to. (Carbon leaches
> > phosphorus into the water causing alge blooms)
> > (His nick name is "Bone head" in case your'e wondering!)
> > Anyway, I suggested that he stop using carbon in his filter, cut back on
his
> > "lights on" schedule, keeping it to "8 hours on" at a time only. And do
> > water changes daily, or every few days until it cleared up.  It took
about
> > 10 -.14 days to clear up.
> >
> >
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 20:46:53 +0200
> From: "Mark Havemann" <bludmonkey at gmail_com>
> Subject: [APD] Plants "closing"
> To: aquatic-plants at actwin_com
>
> I have a few plants in a tank i setup quite recently. A few days ago I
> increased the lighting from one 40W fluorescent tube to two, as well as
> starting up the Co2 injection. Tonight i noticed that my dwarf Hygrophila,
> as well as what i THINK may be ludwigia and another bushy stemmy plant,
all
> have closed up after i turned off the lights (the lights in the room were
on
> for a little while now and again)
>
> Im just wondering if anybody knows why this is? i dont think i have seen
it
> before, its almost the same as how a flower closes up at night, the leaves
> kinda close together at the top of the plants.
>
>
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