Re: [APD] Aquatic-Plants Digest, Vol 50, Issue 24

[Robert Conner <maxtout22 at hotmail_com>]

no mention of anything related to aquatic plants .....what's going on ?????????????????????> From: aquatic-plants-request at actwin_com> Subject: Aquatic-Plants Digest, Vol 50, Issue 24> To: aquatic-plants at actwin_com> Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 11:05:41 -0400> > Send Aquatic-Plants mailing list submissions to> aquatic-plants at actwin_com> > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit> http://www.actwin.com/mailman/listinfo/aquatic-plants> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to> aquatic-plants-request at actwin_com> > You can reach the person managing the list at> aquatic-plants-owner at actwin_com> > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific> than "Re: Contents of Aquatic-Plants digest..."> > > Today's Topics:> > 1. Re: Chinese lights (Stuart Halliday)> 2. Chinese lights (Edward Venn)> 3. Re: Aquatic-Plants Digest, Vol 50, Issue 21 (Nick Andrews)> 4. Chinese quality (Dave Gomberg)> 5. Chinese quality (Dave Gomberg)> 6. The Chinese problem (Stuart Halliday)> 7. Re: The Chinese problem (Liz Wilhite)> 8. Re: The Chinese problem (Raj)> > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------> > Message: 1> Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 17:32:52 +0100> From: Stuart Halliday <stuart at mytriops_com>> Subject: Re: [APD] Chinese lights> To: aquatic plants digest <aquatic-plants at actwin_com>> > I believe Jerry Baker wrote this email section below:> > Thanks for that Jerry,> > > It's not an evil plot, or that Chinese are incapable of producing > > quality products, it's just that their culture values things a little > > differently than ours. Where a lot of westerners value durability and > > reliability over low prices, Chinese tend to value lower cost over > > longevity.> > Let us, for their sakes, hope their new space industry doesn't follow suit.> :-)> > -- > Stuart Halliday> http://mytriops.com/> 200 Million years in the making...> > > ------------------------------> > Message: 2> Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 04:05:58 +0900> From: Edward Venn <e_venn at hotmail_com>> Subject: [APD] Chinese lights> To: <aquatic-plants at actwin_com>> > > Chinese products run on Sony Time. That's because most of the companies contracting for them are Japanese. Companies such as ADA ask Chinese manufacturers to build products and they expect a certain number to be defective. Those get refused but they are good enough for the Chinese market and they get sold to jobbers. The jobbers then mark up the prices and sell the products to the eBay resellers. BTW those batteries that had to be recalled were built for Sony using Sony's specs. When Sony Time kicked in it did so with a vengeance.> > But just to answer your questions, read on> > > Do those come with free lead? > i hope so, I wouldn't want to pay for it. Better to get it free> > > I hope it's not the same manufacturing > > company that made all those batteries last year, or the capacitors a > > couple of years ago. No, problem there that was Japanese quality control at work. If you don't believe me ask Sony.> > > On the other hand there's Chinese made Marcedes (suspension) parts> > that are better than the OEM TRW parts.> > > > So I don't buy the "if it's Chinese it's crap" idea. Another happy customer with $90 MiniOne iClone mobile phone! Better than the iPhone and it's programmable.> > Remember you get what you pay for. Chinese parts cost the same as foreign made parts the difference is the cost of labour. If a product costs a little bit less then you can be sure that it's well made and the difference is the cost of labour. If it's so cheap that you can't believe then don't believe it.> > > Edinjapan> Fish....More than just sushi> > _________________________________________________________________> Discover the new Windows Vista> http://search.msn.com/results.aspx?q=windows+vista&mkt=en-US&form=QBRE> > ------------------------------> > Message: 3> Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 18:02:24 -0400> From: Nick Andrews <nicothefabulous at hotmail_com>> Subject: Re: [APD] Aquatic-Plants Digest, Vol 50, Issue 21> To: <aquatic-plants at actwin_com>> > > > > > I made my own 10W aquarium heater for example, temperature controlled, etc. > > out of a test tube and a few resistors and semi-conductors.> > > > I love finding out about chemicals and how to make them do something not > > mentioned on the label. A lost art these days.> > > > > If they will even tell you what is in there any more. It's all proprietary ingredients like, you know NaCl or something...> > Nick A> > > ------------------------------> > Message: 4> Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 18:00:25 -0700> From: Dave Gomberg <dave1 at wcf_com>> Subject: [APD] Chinese quality> To: aquatic-plants at actwin_com, aquatic-plants at actwin_com> > At 09:00 10/22/2007, aquatic-plants-request at actwin_com wrote:> >Where a lot of westerners value durability and reliability over low > >prices, Chinese tend to value lower cost over> >longevity.> > When I lived in Italy (late '60s) labor was very cheap compared to > hardware. I had a bronze twist window lock break and went to the > window store for a new one. He said, NO NO, I will fix it. I > figured I was being played for a rube newbee, but let him go > ahead. I came back half a day later and my lock was beautifully > brazed, cost $.35, new lock would have been $2. Point being, Fiats > were built with very cheap parts because cheap parts and cheap labor > fixed often were cheaper than expensive parts and cheap labor fixed > only rarely. It depends on the tradeoff where YOU live.> > > > > -- > Dave Gomberg, San Francisco NE5EE gomberg1 at wcf dot com> All addresses, phones, etc. at http://www.wcf.com/ham/info.html> ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > ------------------------------> > Message: 5> Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 18:00:25 -0700> From: Dave Gomberg <dave1 at wcf_com>> Subject: [APD] Chinese quality> To: aquatic-plants at actwin_com, aquatic-plants at actwin_com> > At 09:00 10/22/2007, aquatic-plants-request at actwin_com wrote:> >Where a lot of westerners value durability and reliability over low > >prices, Chinese tend to value lower cost over> >longevity.> > When I lived in Italy (late '60s) labor was very cheap compared to > hardware. I had a bronze twist window lock break and went to the > window store for a new one. He said, NO NO, I will fix it. I > figured I was being played for a rube newbee, but let him go > ahead. I came back half a day later and my lock was beautifully > brazed, cost $.35, new lock would have been $2. Point being, Fiats > were built with very cheap parts because cheap parts and cheap labor > fixed often were cheaper than expensive parts and cheap labor fixed > only rarely. It depends on the tradeoff where YOU live.> > > > > -- > Dave Gomberg, San Francisco NE5EE gomberg1 at wcf dot com> All addresses, phones, etc. at http://www.wcf.com/ham/info.html> ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > ------------------------------> > Message: 6> Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 11:17:31 +0100> From: Stuart Halliday <stuart at mytriops_com>> Subject: [APD] The Chinese problem> To: aquatic plants digest <aquatic-plants at actwin_com>> > I believe Edward Venn wrote this email section below:> > Chinese products run on Sony Time. That's because most of the companies> > contracting for them are Japanese. Companies such as ADA ask Chinese> > manufacturers to build products and they expect a certain number to be> > defective. Those get refused but they are good enough for the Chinese> > market and they get sold to jobbers. The jobbers then mark up the prices> > and sell the products to the eBay resellers. > > > > BTW those batteries that had> > to be recalled were built for Sony using Sony's specs. When Sony Time> > kicked in it did so with a vengeance.> > Those batteries were found to be defective. They had a high level of > particle contamination in them. Out of spec in other words. So hardly in > Sony's specs.> > In any quality system you have inspection points. Obviously they (Sony or > their supplier) either didn't inspect down to the level of chemical > contaminates or they just didn't bother. Maybe Sony didn't bother inspecting > the batteries regularly or the Sony inspectors were bribed? Heck maybe they > trusted their suppliers?> > BTW, Toshiba also got duff batteries.> > > I'd love to know why Chinese animal food sellers sold the Western world > animal feed with dangerous chemicals like melamine that killed farm animals, > dogs, cats and fish?> > Putting in a chemical just so they can raise a few digits on the protein > percentage so it appears to be more nutritious on the label, smacks of > deliberate deceit and a disregard for human or animal life.> > http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18400433/> http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/05/09/business/petfood.php> > Though it appears at least one government man has been executed for taking > bribes in this area.> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/6286698.stm> > So it seems to me that China has lots of people willing to take bribes to > overlook food and health standards of all types of goods exported to other > countries. Or maybe they have these same types of problems internally?> > > Can we trust items to be safe from China?> Would you give a baby a Chinese made teething ring for example?> I know here in the UK we test goods coming into the country destined for > children. But other areas, like pet products, are probably less well tested.> > > I bet if I was to ask my retailer about trusting their Chinese goods, I'd > get a ignorant response. Oh hum.> > -- > Stuart Halliday> http://mytriops.com/> 200 Million years in the making...> > > ------------------------------> > Message: 7> Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 07:47:29 -0700> From: "Liz Wilhite" <satirica at gmail_com>> Subject: Re: [APD] The Chinese problem> To: stuart at mytriops_com, "aquatic plants digest"> <aquatic-plants at actwin_com>> > On 10/23/07, Stuart Halliday <stuart at mytriops_com> wrote:> >> >> > I'd love to know why Chinese animal food sellers sold the Western world> > animal feed with dangerous chemicals like melamine that killed farm> > animals,> > dogs, cats and fish?> > > Funny, I wonder if that product was sold as animal feed or simply as a> consumable that happened to be purchased only by people supplying to animal> food manufacturers. My cat had to be put down with severe kidney failure> after that incident.> > So it seems to me that China has lots of people willing to take bribes to> > overlook food and health standards of all types of goods exported to other> > countries. Or maybe they have these same types of problems internally?> > > I read a number of articles after the pet food problems about significant> numbers of Chinese people who die every year from poisoned food manufactured> in China.> > Can we trust items to be safe from China?> > > I don't. I look at the preventable deaths in China -- they kill miners> left and right there, bad food on the shelves for Chinese people, etc. --> and I don't think they give a rat's hiney about human life.> > > > > -- > Liz> > > ------------------------------> > Message: 8> Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 20:34:12 +0530> From: Raj <rajendrakumargg at gmail_com>> Subject: Re: [APD] The Chinese problem> To: aquatic plants digest <aquatic-plants at actwin_com>> > > >I don't think they give a rat's hiney about human life.> > Absolutely! Poverty and greed are two things that does> change a persons value for life.> > Regards> > -- > Raj, vu2zap> Bengaluru, South India.> > > > > ------------------------------> > _______________________________________________> Aquatic-Plants mailing list> Aquatic-Plants at actwin_com> http://www.actwin.com/mailman/listinfo/aquatic-plants> > > End of Aquatic-Plants Digest, Vol 50, Issue 24> **********************************************
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