Re: [APD] Aquatic-Plants Digest, Vol 42, Issue 20

["Arlos" <arlos at bluelotusaquatics_com>]

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>   1. Re: Mail Order Plants in Canada (Mark R)
>   2. Re: Chemist's- solubility? (Jerry Smith)
>   3. Algae Eaters developing a taste for plants? (Brown, Daniel)
>   4. Re: Aquatic-Plants Digest, Vol 42, Issue 19 (Bill Lynn)
>   5. Re: Aquatic-Plants Digest, Vol 42, Issue 8 (Caddy579 at aol_com)
>   6. Re: Algae Eaters developing a taste for plants? (S. Hieber)
>   7. Re: Aquatic-Plants Digest, Vol 42, Issue 8 (S. Hieber)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 14:15:39 -0700
> From: "Mark R" <oldsan at gmail_com>
> Subject: Re: [APD] Mail Order Plants in Canada
> To: "aquatic plants digest" <aquatic-plants at actwin_com>
>
> I've been happy with http://www.aquariumplants.com/ - a US company but 
> they
> have a 'distribution centre' in Winnipeg and can ship anywhere in Canada.
> Pretty good selection. I've ordered from them a few times and with the
> exception of some Heteranthera zosterifolia, which arrived looking like a
> bag of muck, the plants have always been in good shape. I believe they 
> only
> ship Canadian orders during the first week of every month though. Also, 
> keep
> in mind the temperature at Winnipeg this time of year!
>
> There is an aquarium store in your area (Richmond now I think, they used 
> to
> be in Delta but recently moved) called Fin-omenal Fish which often has an
> excellent selection of plants. Their website seems to be down at the 
> moment
> though. There are several other good gardener-friendly aquarium stores in
> the Vancouver area if I recall, but I can't remember their names at the
> moment.
> You could also ask on http://www.bcaquaria.com, there is a lively plant
> trading thing going on there. They'll at least know what stores you should
> check out.
>
> On 2/16/07, Brown, Daniel <dpbrown at ea_com> wrote:
>>
>> Previously when I've been setting up tanks I've always bought my plants
>> from a mail order company as I can never manage to remember what plants
>> I want in a fish store, even if I have a list the store invariably never
>> has exactly what I need so I find it easier to pick from a catalogue.
>>
>> Can anyone recommend me a good mail order plants company preferably in
>> Canada that can delver to Vancouver in BC?  As I've just moved from
>> Scotland to Vancouver, I don't know where to buy from yet and where to
>> avoid so I was hoping for some recommendations!
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Daniel
>>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 17:17:31 -0500
> From: "Jerry Smith" <jerrytheplater at hotmail_com>
> Subject: Re: [APD] Chemist's- solubility?
> To: aquatic-plants at actwin_com
>
> Dennis
>
> If you are looking for solubility data, I typed in Calcium compound
> solubility's in July 2006. Look under Calcium Nitrate and Calcium 
> Compounds
> threads in the archives.
>
> The CRC Handbook has a small table of Ksp values. CaCO3 is 4.96 x 10-9 @
> 25C.
>
> I have a textbook for Analytical Chemistry and it lists the Ksp of CaCO3 
> as
> 4.8 x 10-9. I can't explain the difference unless it is the temperature, 
> the
> table doesn't specify. But see the next paragraph for different forms of
> Calcium Carbonate. This may explain the differences.
>
> Lange's Handbook of Chemistry lists the Ksp for various Calcium carbonate
> compounds at between 18-25 C. It doesn't specify the exact temperature for
> each value. It lists the Ksp for CaCO3 as 2.8 x 10-9. CaCO3 as calcite is
> 4.5 x 10-9. CaCO3 as aragonite is 6.0 x 10-9. In the same handbook it 
> lists
> the solubility of Calcite as 0.0013 gm/100 gm H2O @ 20C.
>
> Jerry Smith
>
>>Message: 9
>>Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 01:13:47 -0500
>>From: Dennis Dietz <dennisdietz at verizon_net>
>>Subject: Re: [APD] Chemist's- solubility?
>>To: aquatic plants digest <aquatic-plants at actwin_com>
>>
>>I will try to do that.  Thanks.  I was hoping for an online reference
>>but it does not seem to exist.  Two chemistry books had very small,
>>somewhat incomplete references in the back.  Also, I find a lot of
>>conflicting values for the common CaCO3 through online sources.  I can't
>>even find a reference through the NIST website:(
>>
>>Thanks to all who responded.
>>Dennis
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 14:49:53 -0800
> From: "Brown, Daniel" <dpbrown at ea_com>
> Subject: [APD] Algae Eaters developing a taste for plants?
> To: "aquatic plants digest" <aquatic-plants at actwin_com>
>
> Hi folks,
>
> Has anyone ever had any experience with Bristlenose Catfish (BN)
> developing a taste for plants, specifically Amazon swords?  And is there
> any way to prevent them munching on swords?  I really like the look of
> bristlenose cats but the last time I kept one my Amazon swords started
> to have a skeletal look to their leaves, you could almost see through
> them in some spots.  I was dropping in algae tablets for the BN but the
> amano shrimp and Zebra shrimp in the tank seemed more interested in the
> tablets.  I'm currently planning a new 55g planted tank and I'd like to
> have BN again but I don't want another sword massacre, if in doubt I'm
> tempted to get a couple ottos instead...
>
> Daniel
>
>
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 17:46:02 -0800
> From: "Bill Lynn" <wlynn at telus_net>
> Subject: Re: [APD] Aquatic-Plants Digest, Vol 42, Issue 19
> To: <aquatic-plants at actwin_com>
>
>
>
>> From: "Mariano F. Bonfante" <mariano_bonfante at hotmail_com>
>
>>
>> What should be the life expectancy of the silicon rubber in aquarium
>> conditions? I was wondering if there would be sign of deterioration of 
>> it,
>> prior losing strength or adhesive capacity.
>>
> Hmm, I have a 60'X18'X20 with no centre brace (.50" glass) since '86 and 
> it
> was someone else's before that ...
> Still fine..
>
> Bill Lynn
>
>
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 07:30:14 EST
> From: Caddy579 at aol_com
> Subject: Re: [APD] Aquatic-Plants Digest, Vol 42, Issue 8
> To: aquatic-plants at actwin_com
>
> Just a heads up-
>
> make sure to buy an electronic heater, as opposed to the old contact type.
> Generally, electronic heaters will fail "off".
>
>
> In a message dated 2/9/2007 11:21:10 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> aquatic-plants-request at actwin_com writes:
> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2007 19:12:09 -0700
> From: Harry Martin <harry at harrymartincartoons_com>
> Subject: Re: [APD] Planted Discus Tank using Natural methods?
> To: aquatic plants digest <aquatic-plants at actwin_com>
>
> S. Hieber wrote:
>> Animals eat; they poop.
>
> I think this is why I like mailing lists better than forums.
> I get to read all the good stuff without hunting for it.
>
> I used to keep discus in a 10 gallon tank with plants. They all got
> along just fine, but a 10 gallon tank seemed cruel for some reason.
>
> I eventually graduated to a 55 gallon tank and things got better until a
> heater failure raised the temperature enough to boil the plants and the
> other fish. The discus loved it. I was not so happy.
>
> My advise is to make sure you have adequate temperature control and
> select plants that can take the heat.
>
> Someday, I may try discus again.
>
> Harry
>
> -- 
> Harry Martin
> Casper, WY
> With 55 gallons of aquatic plant fun
> http://HarryMartinCartoons.com
>
>
> Gerry Skau
> All The World's A Stage, But The Play Is Badly Cast---Oscar Wilde
>
>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 07:00:18 -0800 (PST)
> From: "S. Hieber" <shieber at yahoo_com>
> Subject: Re: [APD] Algae Eaters developing a taste for plants?
> To: aquatic plants digest <aquatic-plants at actwin_com>
>
> I know some folks have said that Ancistrus don't really bother plants. 
> I've even heard this said about non-dwarf species of plecos. The truth is, 
> I fear, that they all cause damage and it's a matter of the rate of damage 
> versus the rate of plant growth.
>
> Ancistrus species, also known as bristlenose catfish, bristlenose plecos, 
> etc. are dwarf Loricariidae species that do a great job of cleaning an 
> aquarium of algae. One Ancistrus will do the work of, oh, about, hundred 
> or so otocinclus -- give or take. Perhaps two hundred otos. I haven't 
> found that otos are really all that effective. Oto keep busy; they just 
> don't seem to accomplish much for their efforts.
>
> With just one or two Ancistrus per, say, 40-50 gallons, you are not likely 
> to see damage on most Echinodorus species. The swords grow too quickly and 
> the grazing by the Ancistrus is too gentle for much damage to show. Before 
> enough grazing has happened to show damage, you will have pruned the leaf 
> in the ordinary course of maintenance.  But they *will* graze on swords 
> and *the effects of grazing are cumulative*.
>
> So you need to limit how much grazing is done over a given period of time. 
> One way is to have lots of swords. This helps spread out the damage. 
> Another is to add algae wafers at feeding time. The Ancistrus come to 
> expect them and sit and wait for them at feeding time. This can partly 
> sate their appetites but I have had limited success with wafers.
>
> You want to limit the number of Ancistrus in a tank to perhaps just one, 
> unless you know the sex of each (but it's not readily apparent when they 
> are young). Ancistrus breed like guppies in tanks with hiding places 
> (like, for example, planted aquaria) and soon you can have so many grazing 
> mouths to feed that algae wafers do nothing more than encourage more 
> prolific breeding -- and you can't stock swords fast enough to keep up 
> with the damage they will do.
>
> My advice is to keep no more than one Ancistrus in an aquarium; keep it in 
> an aquarium no smaller than about 40 gallons; try to get them to fill up 
> on algae wafers or blanched zucchini; try to keep them in with driftwood 
> but not with swords, and lastly, if you must have Loricariidae in with 
> your Echinodorus, stick with cute relatively useless cousins, the otos. 
> Although Otos are pretty useless even in large numbers, they're cuts and 
> cause little visible damage to plants.
>
> sh
>
>
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> ----- Original Message ----
> From: "Brown, Daniel" <dpbrown at ea_com>
> To: aquatic plants digest <aquatic-plants at actwin_com>
> Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 5:49:53 PM
> Subject: [APD] Algae Eaters developing a taste for plants?
>
>
> Hi folks,
>
> Has anyone ever had any experience with Bristlenose Catfish (BN)
> developing a taste for plants, specifically Amazon swords?  And is there
> any way to prevent them munching on swords?  I really like the look of
> bristlenose cats but the last time I kept one my Amazon swords started
> to have a skeletal look to their leaves, you could almost see through
> them in some spots.  I was dropping in algae tablets for the BN but the
> amano shrimp and Zebra shrimp in the tank seemed more interested in the
> tablets.  I'm currently planning a new 55g planted tank and I'd like to
> have BN again but I don't want another sword massacre, if in doubt I'm
> tempted to get a couple ottos instead...
>
> Daniel
>
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> Message: 7
> Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 07:03:49 -0800 (PST)
> From: "S. Hieber" <shieber at yahoo_com>
> Subject: Re: [APD] Aquatic-Plants Digest, Vol 42, Issue 8
> To: aquatic plants digest <aquatic-plants at actwin_com>
>
> Otoh, based solely on my experience with about 30 or heaters, is that the 
> electronic heaters/thermostats fail much earlier, especially those that 
> use transitors to drive the load rather than control relays.
>
>
> sh
>
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>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: "Caddy579 at aol_com" <Caddy579 at aol_com>
> To: aquatic-plants at actwin_com
> Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 7:30:14 AM
> Subject: Re: [APD] Aquatic-Plants Digest, Vol 42, Issue 8
>
>
> Just a heads up-
>
> make sure to buy an electronic heater, as opposed to the old contact type.
> Generally, electronic heaters will fail "off".
>
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