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Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 09:56:33 -0700 (PDT)
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Welcome back. Just curious, why will the lights be so high? MHs?
 
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----- Original Message ----
From: Charles Lambert <homedoc1 at hotmail_com>
To: aquatic-plants at actwin_com
Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2006 12:11:58 PM
Subject: [APD] starting


Hello group
My name is chuck and I'm currently in the process of having a cube tank 
[24x24x25] built and I want to complete it as a planted tank with an array 
of community fish as well. I built my own cabinet and hood for it and I need 
some of your input into the completion of this project. I'm new at this; 
however I did have a 55 gallon done about 10 yrs ago and it looked great, 
but it didn't survive the divorce.....LOL. Its been that long since my last 
tank and I want to get involved with it again; but this time, I want it 
right. The hood will set 13" higher (inside) than the glass top for the 
tank. Your input would be greatly appreciated. I live in Missouri and 
finding anything here is a 2 hr drive any direction. Thanks

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>Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 12:00:00 -0400
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>    1. Re: lighting on the cheap (Wright Huntley)
>    2. Re: lighting on the cheap (Terry Barber)
>    3. Re: lighting on the cheap (Lawrence Hugh Forbes)
>    4. Re: lighting on the cheap (Eli Moss)
>    5. Re: Lights and Ebay (Terry Barber)
>    6. Ebay and Google Base (Stuart Halliday)
>    7. Re: Ebay and Google Base (Terry Barber)
>    8. Re: Ebay and Google Base (Stuart Halliday)
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>Message: 1
>Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 09:31:09 -0700
>From: Wright Huntley <whuntley at verizon_net>
>Subject: Re: [APD] lighting on the cheap
>To: aquatic-plants at actwin_com
>
> >
> >
> >Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 13:29:49 -0400
> >From: "Terry Barber" <terbarb at alltel_net>
> >Subject: Re: [APD] lighting on the cheap
> >To: "aquatic plants digest" <aquatic-plants at actwin_com>
> >
> >Try Ebay for cheap lighting fixates... I have two of the Jebo fixtures 
>and
> >have had no problems with them.  Here is a link...130 watts for $75
> >
> >http://cgi.ebay.com/New-130-WATTS-24-JEBO-POWER-HIGH-COMPACT-4-FREE-BULBS_W0QQitemZ7759879583QQcategoryZ46314QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem#ebayphotohosting
> >
> >TerryB
> >
>
>That IS a swinging price, Terry, but it drops a lot when you figure that
>you have 4 lamps to get rid of, unless you are into reef tanks. The
>highest Kelvin lamps that I find useful for FW planted tanks is about
>6500K. Some 10Ks with an extra high CRI are usable visually, but waste a
>bit of energy that could be going to photosynthesis if more output was
>at a bit longer wavelengths.
>
>Perhaps they would be willing to substitute some 6500 and 5000K lamps
>for the 4 they list? Then it would really be a sweet deal (at least for
>those of us not in the Peoples Republic of CA.)
>
>Wright
>
>--
>Wright Huntley - Rt. 001 Box K36, Bishop CA 93514 - whuntley at verizon_net  
>760 937-2276 (cell) 760 874-2000 (CA) or 941 866-0500 (FL).
>
>Congress shall make no law abridging freedom of speech unless speech annoys 
>politicians. --McCain-Feingold
>
>Now, go read the real First Amendment,
>
>http://www.self-gov.org/wspq.html
>
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 2
>Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 13:36:12 -0400
>From: "Terry Barber" <terbarb at alltel_net>
>Subject: Re: [APD] lighting on the cheap
>To: "aquatic plants digest" <aquatic-plants at actwin_com>
>
>Hi Wright,
>
>Well when I bought the 48 inch version of these (they had 2 daylight and 2
>actinic)  - I bought replacement lamps as you said - and sold the actinics
>to a reefer buddy for about the price I paid for the new daylight
>lamps.....so it was a wash.   I found the best price for replacement lamps
>at Hello lights.  So yes you have to figure that into the deal.
>
>Terry
>
>
>
> > That IS a swinging price, Terry, but it drops a lot when you figure that
> > you have 4 lamps to get rid of, unless you are into reef tanks.
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 3
>Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 13:03:30 -0500
>From: "Lawrence Hugh Forbes" <lhforbes at comcast_net>
>Subject: Re: [APD] lighting on the cheap
>To: <aquatic-plants at actwin_com>
>
>
>
>Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 13:29:49 -0400
>From: "Terry Barber" <terbarb at alltel_net>
>Subject: Re: [APD] lighting on the cheap
>To: "aquatic plants digest" <aquatic-plants at actwin_com>
>
>Try Ebay for cheap lighting fixates... I have two of the Jebo fixtures and
>have had no problems with them.  Here is a link...130 watts for $75
>
>http://cgi.ebay.com/New-130-WATTS-24-JEBO-POWER-HIGH-COMPACT-4-FREE-BULBS_W0
>QQitemZ7759879583QQcategoryZ46314QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem#ebayphotohosting
>
>TerryB
>
>While this certainly is a good price, the fixture is only 20" and I 
>wouldn't
>think it has enough "light spread" for so large a tank. Having said that,
>though, I am unfamiliar with a 140 gallon's dimensions so I'm not sure what
>would or would not be appropriate lighting. I'm guessing it's something 
>like
>72 x 18 x 28 or so. If this is the case you may want to check out this site
>Eli http://www.aquatraders.com . They have very reasonable prices and the
>quality of their fixtures is surprisingly high, and there is no DIY 
>involved
>they're good to go out of the box. Having said that, there is a caveat
>though, their Customer Service is... virtually non-existent. If you click 
>on
>the "Contacts" link you'll find... nothing. If you search hard enough you
>will find an e-mail address, but having personally sent them 3 e-mails with
>zero replies, it is probably a lost cause trying to contact them.
>This is of course directly opposite of AHSupply's customer service which is
>excellent. But since you want inexpensive you may want to at least look
>there.
>
>Larry
>
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 4
>Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 14:19:28 -0400
>From: "Eli Moss" <mossy173 at gmail_com>
>Subject: Re: [APD] lighting on the cheap
>To: "aquatic plants digest" <aquatic-plants at actwin_com>
>
>Wow, these are incredible prices!  How on earth can they afford to sell a
>260w fixture for $100, lamps included?  Kinda sounds a bit suspect to me,
>but then I'm generally very suspicious of everything.  You've ordered from
>them before?  Are they legit?
>
>Eli
>
>On 4/21/06, Lawrence Hugh Forbes <lhforbes at comcast_net> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 13:29:49 -0400
> > From: "Terry Barber" <terbarb at alltel_net>
> > Subject: Re: [APD] lighting on the cheap
> > To: "aquatic plants digest" <aquatic-plants at actwin_com>
> >
> > Try Ebay for cheap lighting fixates... I have two of the Jebo fixtures 
>and
> > have had no problems with them.  Here is a link...130 watts for $75
> >
> >
> > 
>http://cgi.ebay.com/New-130-WATTS-24-JEBO-POWER-HIGH-COMPACT-4-FREE-BULBS_W0
> > QQitemZ7759879583QQcategoryZ46314QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem#ebayphotohosting
> >
> > TerryB
> >
> > While this certainly is a good price, the fixture is only 20" and I
> > wouldn't
> > think it has enough "light spread" for so large a tank. Having said 
>that,
> > though, I am unfamiliar with a 140 gallon's dimensions so I'm not sure
> > what
> > would or would not be appropriate lighting. I'm guessing it's something
> > like
> > 72 x 18 x 28 or so. If this is the case you may want to check out this
> > site
> > Eli http://www.aquatraders.com . They have very reasonable prices and 
>the
> > quality of their fixtures is surprisingly high, and there is no DIY
> > involved
> > they're good to go out of the box. Having said that, there is a caveat
> > though, their Customer Service is... virtually non-existent. If you 
>click
> > on
> > the "Contacts" link you'll find... nothing. If you search hard enough 
>you
> > will find an e-mail address, but having personally sent them 3 e-mails
> > with
> > zero replies, it is probably a lost cause trying to contact them.
> > This is of course directly opposite of AHSupply's customer service which
> > is
> > excellent. But since you want inexpensive you may want to at least look
> > there.
> >
> > Larry
> >
> >
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>------------------------------
>
>Message: 5
>Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 16:20:01 -0400
>From: "Terry Barber" <terbarb at alltel_net>
>Subject: Re: [APD] Lights and Ebay
>To: "aquatic plants digest" <aquatic-plants at actwin_com>
>
>I can only relay my experience.  I purchased 2 - 48 inch - 210 watt Jebo
>fixtures from an ebay vendor and paid $65 for each.  I have had no problems
>with the product and am pleased at the value - my tanks look great.   I 
>shop
>on ebay frequently and have had problems with a vendor only one time - and
>it was resolved to my satisfaction.  How does anybody on ebay sell for so
>low - often people are buying close out lots.  I can't really say - but
>there are bargains there to be found.  There are also overpriced items - as
>anything it's always buyer beware.  I only offer it up as an alternative
>source to somebody who was looking for a bargain.
>
>Ebay has a system of feedback which you can check on any vendor before you
>purchase.  There are so many vendors on ebay I can only give general advice
>on using ebay.  First - use a credit card for any purchase.  Vendor doesn't
>take a card payment....don't use vendor.  The dispute process available
>through your credit card is something you do not want to give up.  You can
>use paypal and have paypal charge your credit card also.........this gives
>you a lot of dispute protection.  Don't buy anything cash only.  Don't buy
>anything that is more expensive than you can afford to lose if the deal is 
>a
>fraud.  Also check the shipping cost - some vendors sell and item on the
>cheap then try to charge some large "handling" fee to make up for it.
>That's the best ebay advice I can give.  I'm careful and have had 99% good
>experiences using ebay.
>
>TerryB
>
>Happy Shopping
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 6
>Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 21:41:59 +0100
>From: Stuart Halliday <stuart at stuarthalliday_com>
>Subject: [APD] Ebay and Google Base
>To: aquatic plants digest <aquatic-plants at actwin_com>
>
>I believe Terry Barber wrote this email section below:
> > I can only relay my experience.  I purchased 2 - 48 inch - 210 watt Jebo
> > fixtures from an ebay vendor and paid $65 for each.
>
>Great. Nice lights and they do ones for a 12" and 24" tank.
>But typically I need one for a 18" long tank! Worse luck.
>
>
>  >  How does anybody on ebay sell for so
> > low - often people are buying close out lots.
>
>Lots of individuals seem to be buying large amounts of trade fish food and
>sell it in small packets. So it works out cheaper for the private aquarist.
>
>In the UK the Government is said to be thinking of adding a eBay Tax...
>eBay *is* very popular over here.
>
> > I can't really say - but
> > there are bargains there to be found.
>
>I just bought a 200g bag of Tetra PRO colour fish food for ?3.
>
> >  There are also overpriced items - as
> > anything it's always buyer beware.  I only offer it up as an alternative
> > source to somebody who was looking for a bargain.
>
>
>I think Google Base may give eBay a run for their money. ;-)
>
>http://base.google.com/
>
>
>--
>Stuart Halliday
>
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 7
>Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 16:47:27 -0400
>From: "Terry Barber" <terbarb at alltel_net>
>Subject: Re: [APD] Ebay and Google Base
>To: <stuart at stuarthalliday_com>,    "aquatic plants digest"
>    <aquatic-plants at actwin_com>
>
>Stuart you are a googler.
>
>I also advise anybody to try www.Froogle.com - it will search for the 
>lowest
>price on items.  I use this often also to make sure I don't pay too much on
>ebay - or be tempted to overbid.
>
>
>Terry
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 8
>Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 22:27:46 +0100
>From: Stuart Halliday <stuart at stuarthalliday_com>
>Subject: Re: [APD] Ebay and Google Base
>To: aquatic-plants at actwin_com
>
>I believe Terry Barber wrote this email section below:
> > Stuart you are a googler.
> >
> > I also advise anybody to try www.Froogle.com - it will search for the 
>lowest
> > price on items.  I use this often also to make sure I don't pay too much 
>on
> > ebay - or be tempted to overbid.
>
>I use http://froogle.google.co.uk/
>;-)
>
>But if Google Base remains free I can't see why people would continue to 
>use
>eBay?
>
>Time will tell.
>
>--
>Stuart Halliday
>
>
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