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[APD] Drinking distilled water
I currently have, and have had for years, a water distiller at home. I, my family, and all our pets (except the fish tanks, which get tap water) exclusively drink distilled water. None of us suffer from any type of malady listed as being attributable to drinking distilled water, although I will admit that the cats do shed a little (hair loss)...
First there came miraculous cures attributable to drinking distilled water...then came the catastrophic claims about the terrible things that would happen to you if you did ...and then the claims about those claims and so on and so on....a real water war...look it up on the internet and you'll find ample "evidence" to support whichever side you choose to believe.
I prefer to stick to the basics -- the water report. There are some things in our tap water that I want removed and distillation does it superbly. It produces just about the purest water possible and is easy and cheap for us. That's the bottom line. I don't expect a miracle cure or transformation but I don't expect impending disaster either. If all my hair falls out and I drop dead, though, you'll know I was wrong. I'll try to post from the other side to warn you all.
Beverly
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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Help me prevent a fatal accident or injury (Jerry Baker)
2. Re: Ivy plants (Nick Ternes)
3. Don't Drink Distilled Water [SAFETY] (was "Storing large
amounts of RO water") (Charley Bay)
4. Re: Don't Drink Distilled Water [SAFETY] (was "Storing large
amounts of RO water") (Jerry Baker)
5. Coal Substrate (SteveII)
6. Re: Don't Drink Distilled Water [SAFETY] (was "Storing large
amounts of RO water") (Jerry Baker)
7. Re: Don't Drink Distilled Water [SAFETY] (was "Storing large
amounts of RO water") (Liz Wilhite)
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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 06:34:42 -0800
From: Jerry Baker
Subject: Re: [APD] Help me prevent a fatal accident or injury
To: aquatic plants digest
Raj wrote:
> Just visualize a connector at the end of the wire which has one
> male and one female pin..
That does sound like a great idea. Unfortunately the ends of most plugs
(in the U.S. anyway) cannot be open or modified. I bought the cords
because it was more expensive to buy the same length of romex and
3-socket plugs.
--
Jerry Baker
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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 09:25:45 -0600
From: "Nick Ternes"
Subject: Re: [APD] Ivy plants
To: "aquatic plants digest"
Well, you can. But they probably won't live more than a few weeks. If you
have a particularly vigorous ivy plant and can take cuttings every week or
two, go for it.
Nick Ternes
Port Washington, WI
WAKO
AKA
On 2/26/06, Jeffcanbefound at aol_com wrote:
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> Can a person put regular ivy clippings underwater in fish tanks?
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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 08:12:43 -0800 (PST)
From: Charley Bay
Subject: [APD] Don't Drink Distilled Water [SAFETY] (was "Storing
large amounts of RO water")
To: aquatic-plants at actwin_com
Terry spaketh:
> RO membranes "reject" sodium ions. The water
> molecules are "pushed" across the membrane. The
> sodium ions concentrate at the membranes surface.
> This creates a layer that slows down the rate that
> water can pass through the membrane. The more salt
> in solution, the harder it is to drive the water
> across the membrane.
> <...snip, so commercial systems require large
> pressures>
At my place of employment, we have huge water
distillation systems. (Recall that "distillation"
is the process in which water is boiled, evaporated,
and the vapor condensed). Thus, distillation
results in water free from dissolved minerals and
other organic matter.
DON'T DRINK IT!
Some of our guys thought it would be neat to drink
"pure water", which turned out to be Not A Good
Thing(tm). (They're all fine now).
Drinking distilled water results in your body's very
rapid loss of electrolytes (sodium, potassium,
chloride) and trace minerals (like magnesium), which
can cause heart beat irregularities, high blood
pressure, hair loss, and a spike in white blood cells.
Yeeks.
Cooking foods in distilled water pulls the minerals
out of them and lowers their nutrient value.
50 years ago health advocates pushed distilled water,
but that's largely debunked now (even though some
misconceptions remain). However, it *can* be useful
to drink distilled water in special cases, such as
for a few days as a part of body detoxification
because it will help pull toxins out of your system.
You also have the issue that distilled water will
leach things from the container, especially PVC
(e.g., those cloudy plastic milk jugs), but even
metal and *glass* containers (depending on the
quality of the glass). Polyethylene doesn't
leach as much. That leached stuff (heavy metals,
petroleum products, etc.) is typically toxic and
MUCH worse than the stuff you just filtered out.
RO water isn't as big a health risk as distilled,
because the RO filtration only removes the "bigger"
stuff (like sodium). But, it's still true that RO
water pulls salts and other stuff out of your system
because we're still talking about osmosis across
the gradient in the water, and your body.
YMMV. ;-)
--charley
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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 08:18:31 -0800
From: Jerry Baker
Subject: Re: [APD] Don't Drink Distilled Water [SAFETY] (was "Storing
large amounts of RO water")
To: aquatic plants digest
Charley Bay wrote:
> Drinking distilled water results in your body's very
> rapid loss of electrolytes (sodium, potassium,
> chloride) and trace minerals (like magnesium), which
> can cause heart beat irregularities, high blood
> pressure, hair loss, and a spike in white blood cells.
> Yeeks.
Do you really expect me to believe that losing 60 mg of electrolytes per
day is going to hurt you? That's the difference between distilled water
and R/O water if you drink two liters a day. If you have soft tap water
it might be 150 mg. I'm not convinced.
--
Jerry Baker
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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 10:25:23 -0600
From: "SteveII"
Subject: [APD] Coal Substrate
To:
Here along a river in Alabama I have found deposits of coal-like gravel. So
over a year ago I set up a 10 gallon with this stuff and it looks great and
it works. Within the past year I have put this in all my tanks. I have
noticed that the plants are growing well above the substrate, and even more
below. It is very light weight and is easily moved by water current and
fish, but the plants root excessively in this stuff and hold it in place. As
an example I planted a compacta sword (tropica var) in this substrate about
6 weeks ago. While trying to pull up a larger sword, this 3.5" across
compacta came up and had 18" long roots and lots of them. The larger sword
had 4x as many roots as its mother did at twice it's size and of course much
longer.
My question... Is all this rooting good or bad? I get the feeling that the
roots grow as long as they need to feel secure or looking for nutrients, so
it may not be good (sorry for personification). The plants do look good, and
the highly weathered black substrate looks great with it's faint luster. I
have read a bit on soilmaster, but I don't know if its as lightweight. Heck
I don't even know if its really coal that I'm using, but that's what it
looks and feels like to me. Do plants root this way in soilmaster? Is all
this rooting energy bad for the plant?
Thanks,
Steve
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Message: 6
Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 08:28:41 -0800
From: Jerry Baker
Subject: Re: [APD] Don't Drink Distilled Water [SAFETY] (was "Storing
large amounts of RO water")
To: aquatic plants digest
Jerry Baker wrote:
> Do you really expect me to believe that losing 60 mg of electrolytes per
> day is going to hurt you? That's the difference between distilled water
> and R/O water if you drink two liters a day. If you have soft tap water
> it might be 150 mg. I'm not convinced.
What we need is a study that shows increased excretion of electrolytes
and minerals in urine when drinking distilled/DI water. Failing that,
there can be no conclusion that doing so causes mineral/electrolyte loss.
I can't figure out how this alleged loss mechanism is supposed to work.
Is the reasoning that more electrolytes dissolve in distilled water vs.
"regular" water? If so, where are these electrolytes supposed to be in
your body before they are dissolved by this dangerous water? Seems to me
they are already dissolved in your blood. Perhaps the argument is that
somehow creating a slightly weaker solution will cause you to lose the
solutes? I dunno. Sounds very dubious.
It really sounds to me like alarmist reasoning invented by someone who
only understands enough chemistry to get themselves into trouble. It's
along the same lines as the toxicity arguments against sucralose because
it contains chlorine. We all know chlorine is toxic, so it follows that
chlorinated sugar must be toxic right? Who wants to put toxic chlorine
in their body? Using that line of reasoning you would think that
chlorinating pure sodium would be highly toxic, but somehow it isn't.
--
Jerry Baker
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Message: 7
Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 08:53:07 -0800
From: "Liz Wilhite"
Subject: Re: [APD] Don't Drink Distilled Water [SAFETY] (was "Storing
large amounts of RO water")
To: "aquatic plants digest"
On 2/26/06, Charley Bay wrote:
>
>
> At my place of employment, we have huge water
> distillation systems. (Recall that "distillation"
> is the process in which water is boiled, evaporated,
> and the vapor condensed). Thus, distillation
> results in water free from dissolved minerals and
> other organic matter.
>
> DON'T DRINK IT!
>
> Some of our guys thought it would be neat to drink
> "pure water", which turned out to be Not A Good
> Thing(tm). (They're all fine now).
Codswallop.
Drinking distilled water will not kill you or harm you. It will take a
chunk out of your wallet.
Just give it the "internet sniff test" and see if thise idea passes. Google
"drink distilled water danger" or dangerous or unhealthy or deadly and have
a gander at the websites that come up. You get a double fistful of "modern
life kills you" websites, a whole boatload of commercial websites that are
selling either, you guessed it, distillation systems for home use or RO
systems, but no reputable medical or governmental webs warning of the
dangers.
Now if you happen to have a bottle od D2O or T2O on hand you shouldn't drink
that. :-)
Liz
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