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Re: [APD] Science
I have a response all typed up if you want it... but i think the point
has well been lost and as the post went on i found someone who is
telling what i think more and more making assumptions about what i'm
trying to say.
to bypass all the arguing and lengthy responses let me say this. which
is more to my original point. Having a degree doesnt keep a person from
being a complete distasteful individual i wouldnt want to be around. i
dont think i really need to draw that line in the sand. it's obvious. i
think SOME things are possibly not true, and SOME things happen for
different reasons than we currently believe. I think anything based on
observation ahs the variable of perspective amking it less than 100%
reliable. I'm often pragmatic by nature so prove it is an important part
of my system at times. There are many levels and types of intelligence.
And knowledge istn one of them for me. it's a process of memory only,
there is no origination at its basic level. things IMO can get too
semantic i believe this discussion has, i'm as guilty as any. I also
dont want to bother the list with it anymore as you cant change my
perspective anymore than I yours which is evident by the post. and on
and on. I never questioned your belief to not be true. I only stated I
agreed with Tom thus making me as big a target. i dont htink people have
the right to make others believe the same things as them or society at
large. period. All the self righteous and know it alls i've ever known
are lonely people. deduce your own feelings on that. i never disagreed
with you. nor did i agree.
was anything proven?
and finally to be snide for two seconds...
who gives a crap what a piano does on pluto. it plays music yay! i do
know it makes music through vibration, and why. but i give little
thought to it. i just liek to play it. people dont have to agree.
I love science.
Jerry Baker wrote:
>urville wrote:
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>>I would call that a theory. would the same thing happen on the moon? how
>>do you know?
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>Yes, the same thing would happen on the Moon. Newton's laws of
>gravitation predict what will happen no matter where you are in the
>Universe. As long as you know the mass of two interacting objects, you
>can calculate what is going to happen. That's what's so neat about a
>scientific law.
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>>>If you put x amount of sugar in y amount of water at z degrees, it will or
>>>will not entirely dissolve, depending on the amount of sugar and the amount
>>>and temperature of water.
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>>ah dependant. and in a zero g room is it the same? how about altitude
>>does that factor it's certainly not the same everywhere is it?
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>>>These are scientific facts and they will not
>>>change -
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>>but they do change. but comparing what happens on the moon and what
>>happens on earth or better yet every planet and body and saying they
>>are the same thing is exactly like saying this law applies all around.
>>again you didnt get the point i was trying to make. my apologies.
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>They are exactly the same on different planets, and even in different
>galaxies. Physical things obey the same laws everywhere in the Universe.
>There is no reason to believe otherwise.
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>>i'd say 85% of science if not more is theory.
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>And what do you base that calculation on? That sounds very suspiciously
>like something picked up from an evangelical Bible class or something.
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>>i disagree. it's enough for me. we have now moved from fact to opinion.
>>it's not enough for you. please dont torture me with it because after
>>ages of arguing and research and you say eureka it happens because, i
>>wont care cause it worked for me and i moved on long ago.
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>So, if someone told you that to get to Denver from Cheyenne, you had to
>drive I-80 to Salt Lake, take I-15 to Cove Fort, and then take I-70 east
>to Denver, you wouldn't care because it "just works"? You wouldn't be
>curious if there was a shortcut?
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>>and that proves what? your missing the point.you'll all argue ntil it's
>>forgotten and next week we'll all be talking about light again. No
>>papers will come of it, and it will disintergrate into nothing. Again my
>>point is why waste your time arguing it. Have your opinion, or fact if
>>you must. But dont argue it so passive aggressively, lose the
>>tones/attitude, and practice some humility.
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>Perhaps you can suggest a better way to tell someone that their theory
>violates already established laws of physics? That's not aggressive. It
>just is. This sounds like that "everyone's a winner" crud infecting our
>schools as we speak. The whole notion that we have to be gentle to
>everyone for fear of offending someone or upsetting someone is ridiculous.
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>>>There is a crisis of scientific education in this country, and your
>>>statement that there are no definitive facts is just one facet of it.
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>>i disagree. plain and simple. I think it's your immediate attack on my
>>belief and that mentality thats wrong with science today. It's that I'm
>>so much smarter than you attitude.
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>I say if you have two people, one who accepts laws that have already
>been established and proven, and the other who does not, then the former
>is possessed of more knowledge than the latter. That's not an insult,
>just a fact.
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> I'm sure kids love studying science
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>>only to have some pompous person gloating over them with ideas that
>>probably wont last through the next ten years. That wouldnt have
>>ANYTHING to do with it would it. I mean that kind of attitude wo0uldnt
>>drive common people from trying to learn would it?
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>I think you are confusing someone telling another when they are wrong
>with being pompous. Some things are just wrong no matter how badly you
>wish they weren't.
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>>can we do it on another planet? funny cause i think quite some time ago
>>there was a highly regarded scientific mind who would say the piano
>>would crush me on any body in this universe, maybe he would have even
>>said, and thats a fact. i wonder. i'm trying to steer this the proper
>>direction gently as possible here.
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>The piano will behave exactly the same no matter where in the Universe
>you chose to conduct this experiment. It will obey the F=m1m2/d^2 law.
>If the planet is as massive as Earth, or more, it will crush you. Even
>on the other side of the Universe.
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>I suppose the idea that there are immutable laws of physics bothers
>people who want the Universe to be a more mystic and supernatural place,
>but it isn't.
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