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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Moving several large tanks (Donald)
2. Re: Concerns over water circulation and filtration (Mark & Peta)
3. Re: opinions of algae (Mark & Peta)
4. RE: opinions of algae (Quinn, Sherry)
5. Re: RE: opinions of algae (Mark & Peta)
6. Re: Re: Terrestrial Plant Sold As Aquatic Plants (Mark & Peta)
7. RE: (RO source) opinions of algae (revance at indiana_edu)
8. Plant Stores in NJ (David Wren-Hardin)
9. Plant Stores in NJ (David Wren-Hardin)
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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 11:15:04 -0500
From: Donald <donalddavis at mac_com>
Subject: [APD] Re: Moving several large tanks
To: aquatic-plants at actwin_com
I'm about to move 3-120 Gallon tanks. At first I thought about doing
it myself, since my friend and I moved the tanks into the house in the
first place, but this time I am planning to hire movers.
First thing is first, drain the tanks. I am planning to keep some of
the "old" water which will allow me to set the tank back up quickly.
Also, remove the gravel out of the tanks, I prefer to store mine in a
large trash can. Basically, I try to make sure the tank is as empty as
possible before moving it.
Oh... the fun in moving!
Donald
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2003 00:57:19 -0800
From: "Mark & Peta" <mbethke at socal_rr.com>
Subject: Re: [APD] Concerns over water circulation and filtration
To: "aquatic plants digest" <aquatic-plants at actwin_com>
Greetings Walter,
Boy that's a good question, I'd say give it a try with no fish, check to
see what chemistry could be noted (ammonia/nitrates/PH stabilization)
and if the filtration is proper and you have good levels drop in a few
fish and see what happens . Since it's a large aquarium you have more
"Fudge Factor" to buffer against dangerous levels.and yes plants are
some of the best filters but so are fresh water clams as they eat
detritus and decaying veggie matter so that's yet another filter you
could work with. Most people don't have knowledge with clams (bivalvia)
or snails
(gastropodia) and these can be a great source of janitors for the tank.
I keep three different snails in my tank , all three are kept under
control with my clown loaches that are molluscivorous and relish the
snails, they even seem to like to drop the empty shells in the very
front of the aquarium. The Malaysian Turret snails (sorry but I don't
have this species in my books so I can't add a latin name to it )
anyways they eat only decaying vegetation and left over fish food . I
hope all works out ,,, Mark & Peta, Max & Sam Bethke
mbethke at socal_rr.com 8450 Canby Ave. Northridge CA 91325 3704 U.S.A.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Walter Igharas" <walterigharas at hotmail_com>
To: <aquatic-plants at actwin_com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2004 7:41 PM
Subject: [APD] Concerns over water circulation and filtration
> Hi,
>
> I was given a 85 gallon tank with a fluval 203 filter. I want to make
> the tank a planted aquarium with a light fish load. I have been told
> by many retailers that the filter is not powerful enough for the tank.
>
> Question, do I need a larger filter if the plants will be providing
> the filtration system for the tank?
>
> Should I invest in power head or another canister filter for water
> circulation? If so, any recommendation for a good powerhead or
> canister filter?
>
> Is there any benefits for the plants to have the water circulated?
>
>
>
> Thanks for the help
>
>
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2003 01:12:47 -0800
From: "Mark & Peta" <mbethke at socal_rr.com>
Subject: Re: [APD] opinions of algae
To: "aquatic plants digest" <aquatic-plants at actwin_com>
Sorry that I don't know your name yet so excuse me for using "Revance"
as your moniker.
Thank you Revance for your help. Sounds like it's time to contact
Grainger for the RO unit. If they don't have it (anything Electrical, I
mean
anything) then it's off to the hardware store.
Will do ,,, Also need to add a DE filter but the prices gag me and I
would rather have a box type diatomaceous earth filter that uses a low
power/volume powerhead to run the water into the box with the DE and
than pull it from the bottom of the box and let it gravity feed cleaned
water back into the tank. I have heard great news on DE filters, but
most are forced and forced system are problematic not to mention
inefficient so letting the water gently pass down thru the DE seems like
a better choice, after all I don't need anymore than 20GPH discharge
from the DE filter. Also, good news, the algae most have known we are
after it as the Phostex I added is killing off the algae, just noticed
this morning when I observed masses of detached alage on the strainer
heads of the filters (twin 330 penguins for my 50 gl. ) . But this
doesn't mean I'm not adding a RO sys. I will. It's so true what you said
about stripping the nutriants and PO4 from the wwater but then it's
easier to replace in quantity of nutriants needed. Thank so much for the
help, Mark & Peta, Max & Sam Bethke mbethke at socal_rr.com 8450 Canby Ave.
Northridge CA 91325 3704 U.S.A.
----- Original Message -----
From: <revance at indiana_edu>
To: "aquatic plants digest" <aquatic-plants at actwin_com>
Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 7:27 AM
Subject: Re: [APD] opinions of algae
> If your tap water has such a high PO4 level perhaps you should
> consider
using
> RO water. I usually use RO water in all my tanks and had never had an
algae
> problem. I recently set up a small tank and didn't bother with RO
> because
I
> wasn't keeping anything special in it... I had terrible algae
> outbreaks.
Turns
> out our tap water has really high PO4 too. I slowly changed over to RO
water
> in that tank and the algae went away. IMHO it is easier to use RO
> water
and
> reconstitute to your liking rather than dechlorinate tap water and
worrying
> about getting PO4 levels etc. all worked out every time you change the
water.
> Again, its just my opinion (I am probably greatly outnumbered). It
> just
seems
> that every time you get a working process to fix up tap water the city
goes
> and changes something (like adding more PO4 on you). RO water doesn't
> vary much... decide on how much of what to add when you reconstitute
> the water
and
> stick to it. After that, it's pretty brainless. My tap water SUCKS! In
every
> way possible, so it is much easier for me to use RO rather than trying
> to "fix" my tap water.
>
>
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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 13:23:09 -0400
From: "Quinn, Sherry" <Sherry_Quinn at ingenix.com>
Subject: RE: [APD] opinions of algae
To: "'aquatic plants digest'" <aquatic-plants at actwin_com>
A good place to buy an RO/DI system online is
www.aquaticreefsystems.com
I've been very happy with them and they have good prices.
Sherry
-----Original Message-----
From: Mark & Peta [mailto:mbethke at socal_rr.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 01, 2003 4:13 AM
To: aquatic plants digest
Subject: Re: [APD] opinions of algae
Sorry that I don't know your name yet so excuse me for using "Revance"
as your moniker.
Thank you Revance for your help. Sounds like it's time to contact
Grainger for the RO unit. If they don't have it (anything Electrical, I
mean
anything) then it's off to the hardware store.
Will do ,,, Also need to add a DE filter but the prices gag me and I
would rather have a box type diatomaceous earth filter that uses a low
power/volume powerhead to run the water into the box with the DE and
than pull it from the bottom of the box and let it gravity feed cleaned
water back into the tank. I have heard great news on DE filters, but
most are forced and forced system are problematic not to mention
inefficient so letting the water gently pass down thru the DE seems like
a better choice, after all I don't need anymore than 20GPH discharge
from the DE filter. Also, good news, the algae most have known we are
after it as the Phostex I added is killing off the algae, just noticed
this morning when I observed masses of detached alage on the strainer
heads of the filters (twin 330 penguins for my 50 gl. ) . But this
doesn't mean I'm not adding a RO sys. I will. It's so true what you said
about stripping the nutriants and PO4 from the wwater but then it's
easier to replace in quantity of nutriants needed. Thank so much for the
help, Mark & Peta, Max & Sam Bethke mbethke at socal_rr.com 8450 Canby Ave.
Northridge CA 91325 3704 U.S.A.
----- Original Message -----
From: <revance at indiana_edu>
To: "aquatic plants digest" <aquatic-plants at actwin_com>
Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 7:27 AM
Subject: Re: [APD] opinions of algae
> If your tap water has such a high PO4 level perhaps you should
> consider
using
> RO water. I usually use RO water in all my tanks and had never had an
algae
> problem. I recently set up a small tank and didn't bother with RO
> because
I
> wasn't keeping anything special in it... I had terrible algae
> outbreaks.
Turns
> out our tap water has really high PO4 too. I slowly changed over to RO
water
> in that tank and the algae went away. IMHO it is easier to use RO
> water
and
> reconstitute to your liking rather than dechlorinate tap water and
worrying
> about getting PO4 levels etc. all worked out every time you change the
water.
> Again, its just my opinion (I am probably greatly outnumbered). It
> just
seems
> that every time you get a working process to fix up tap water the city
goes
> and changes something (like adding more PO4 on you). RO water doesn't
> vary much... decide on how much of what to add when you reconstitute
> the water
and
> stick to it. After that, it's pretty brainless. My tap water SUCKS! In
every
> way possible, so it is much easier for me to use RO rather than trying
> to "fix" my tap water.
>
>
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2003 01:16:40 -0800
From: "Mark & Peta" <mbethke at socal_rr.com>
Subject: Re: [APD] RE: opinions of algae
To: "aquatic plants digest" <aquatic-plants at actwin_com>
Thank you Laura, Will add this to my aquarium file ... Once again, thank
you , Mark
----- Original Message -----
From: "Laura Burbage" <leuhrich at yahoo_com>
To: <aquatic-plants at actwin_com>
Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 7:10 AM
Subject: [APD] RE: opinions of algae
> Mark,
>
> Unless I've lost track of time (quite likely), you
> just got the PO4 down recently. I would give it some
> time. In my experience the algae will die. Give it a
> couple weeks. The existing algae has to burn off it's reserves, the
> cells have to die naturally, but new cells won't be so fast in coming
> with the lower PO4 levels.
>
> -Laura
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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2003 01:26:59 -0800
From: "Mark & Peta" <mbethke at socal_rr.com>
Subject: Re: [APD] Re: Terrestrial Plant Sold As Aquatic Plants
To: "aquatic plants digest" <aquatic-plants at actwin_com>
I must agree with a statement made about defining a true aquatic plant.
As we all know,,,, the Amazon drainage basin has two distinct water
levels , in some places it's more than 6 ft deep and floods deep past
the floodplain at rainy season but than drops considerably during "dry"
season (as if it's ever dry there) so many plants have had to
incorporate a lifestyle of being underwater half of the year. These even
include bromeliads and a quite a few terristrials. The Amazon is a river
of never ending change. I was privileged to visit the lower Amazon twice
, to bad we didn't have more time. There is so much to explore. It's a
must do to anyone who is interested in biology or botany. IMHO. Mark
----- Original Message -----
From: "Andrew McLeod" <thefish at theabyssalplain_freeserve.co.uk>
To: "aquatic plants digest" <aquatic-plants at actwin_com>
Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 2:19 AM
Subject: [APD] Re: Terrestrial Plant Sold As Aquatic Plants
> Diane Brown wrote:
> > I bought some nice sturdy "brazil Swords" before I knew they were
> > not true aquatic plants...
>
> I thought most of the plants that are grown in aquariums are not true
> aquatics? Like all the Amazon swords are bog plants? I thought true
> aquatics were the plants that did not take up any nutrition through
> the substrate, but most aquarium plants weren't? (please correct the
> numerous errors in my beliefs).
>
> --
> Andrew McLeod
> thefish at theabyssalplain_freeserve.co.uk
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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 13:16:40 -0500
From: revance at indiana_edu
Subject: RE: [APD] (RO source) opinions of algae
To: aquatic plants digest <aquatic-plants at actwin_com>
Quoting "Quinn, Sherry" <Sherry_Quinn at ingenix.com>:
> A good place to buy an RO/DI system online is
> www.aquaticreefsystems.com
>
> I've been very happy with them and they have good prices.
>
> Sherry
There is also a good person on Ebay that sells RO units. The name is
aquasafecanada, don't be fooled by their name, they sell in the US too.
Their
auctions have no reserve and you can get a really good price on 5-6
stage 75- 100gpd RO/DI units. They have a feedback rating of something
like 2500 with
100% of them positive. I haven't actually ordered from them but have
heard
good things about them. I figure if they can sell thousands of these
without
having one person get pissed off and leave negative feedback, they must
be
pretty good to deal with. If anyone has had bad experiences with this
person,
please let me know... I am thinking of purchasing one myself.
Russ
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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 11:42:57 -0700 (PDT)
From: David Wren-Hardin <amygdala17 at yahoo_com>
Subject: [APD] Plant Stores in NJ
To: aquatic plants digest <aquatic-plants at actwin_com>
I am really trying to ramp up the number and
quality of plants in my aquarium. It's
a 60 gal tank, fairly high fish load. I've had
Swords that died, and other plants that never took
off so I pulled out all the stops. I boosted the
light to 120W, played with the substrate by adding
scoops of substrate to the 3-5mm gravel where I
have plants. I also started fertilizing with the
Seachem Flourish liquid, and I made a DIY CO2 system
out of a 2-liter bottle.
About a month in, the swords are doing great. Much
greener and putting out nice leaves. The Anarchis is
also doing well. Several pieces have grown to the top
and curled. I assume I can just hack them back and
plant the tops to get the dense forest I want. I've
also got some nice algae going, so I know I'm on
the right track. :-).
The next phase is to add more plants. I'd like to
get some Anubias and some other stuff. I've poked
around on the net, but would love recommendations
either for a good website, or even better, a good
store to buy plants in north-central NJ (I'm near
Newark) to satisfy my instant gratification gene.
Thanks,
-David Wren-Hardin
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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 11:43:02 -0700 (PDT)
From: David Wren-Hardin <amygdala17 at yahoo_com>
Subject: [APD] Plant Stores in NJ
To: aquatic plants digest <aquatic-plants at actwin_com>
I am really trying to ramp up the number and
quality of plants in my aquarium. It's
a 60 gal tank, fairly high fish load. I've had
Swords that died, and other plants that never took
off so I pulled out all the stops. I boosted the
light to 120W, played with the substrate by adding
scoops of substrate to the 3-5mm gravel where I
have plants. I also started fertilizing with the
Seachem Flourish liquid, and I made a DIY CO2 system
out of a 2-liter bottle.
About a month in, the swords are doing great. Much
greener and putting out nice leaves. The Anarchis is
also doing well. Several pieces have grown to the top
and curled. I assume I can just hack them back and
plant the tops to get the dense forest I want. I've
also got some nice algae going, so I know I'm on
the right track. :-).
The next phase is to add more plants. I'd like to
get some Anubias and some other stuff. I've poked
around on the net, but would love recommendations
either for a good website, or even better, a good
store to buy plants in north-central NJ (I'm near
Newark) to satisfy my instant gratification gene.
Thanks,
-David Wren-Hardin
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