Tom, Sounds like you won't be going to the Botany 2003 meetings in Mobile, AL, since I think it is the same time as your proposed meeting. I figured that would be my chance to meet you, especially since the theme of the meeting is "Aquatic Plants: Wet and Wild"! Oh well, it preserves the enigma I guess! -Kyle -- Kyle Williams kyle at onebox_com - email (707) 583-2064 x2092 - voicemail/fax