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BOUNCE nfc at actwin_com: Non-member submission from ["Darren and Sharon Gill" <dsgill at email_msn.com>] (fwd)

Darren and Sharon Gill,
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Subject: BOUNCE nfc at actwin_com:    Non-member submission from ["Darren and Sharon Gill" <dsgill at email_msn.com>]   

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From: "Darren and Sharon Gill" <dsgill at email_msn.com>
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Subject: Re: Location data on fish
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 14:17:09 -0500
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Ray, I agree 100%, particularly in the case of Elassoma.  There have been
genetic studies of Elassoma that show a high degree of variability from
population to population, even in the same vicinity.  For those that are
familiar with killifish, the importance of site information in Elassoma is
much the same.  Inter-breeding species or even mixing fish of the same
species from different populations is not an accepted practice; virtually
tabboo.   This causes many of the unique variations in specific populations
to be lost and as Ray points out, all we are left with is "aquarium strain"

Does anyone else keep Elassoma?  Do you know where they were collected from?
The few that I have are F1s from an original pair supplied to me by Robert
Rice that he collected out of a creek in Alabama just west of Pensacola.
Perhaps I should call my population E. evergladei "RR AL-West of Pensacola".
The trouble is that I have only 1 female and I'm not sure that I can keep my
population going!

Darren Gill
Carmel, IN

-----Original Message-----
From: R W Wolff <raywolff at juno_com>
To: NFC at actwin_com <NFC at actwin_com>
Date: Tuesday, September 15, 1998 1:39 PM
Subject: Location data on fish

>All,      How many of you keep Elassomas(pygmy sunfish)?  It is
>important  to keep location data.  The only reason I bring up these fish
>is I'm
>very interested in them.  If you mixed locations or don't have an
>idea,then they are aquarium strain.  The method behind my madness here is
>A lot of our natives are distinctly different throughout there range.
>This will be helpful in
>further studies by both "educated biologists" and home or school of
>hardknocks fish enthusiasts.  A not so recent example is the spotted
>which is now two fish one is a subspecies. Lepomis Punctatus punctatus
>and L. punctatus miniatus.  What I'm getting at is you might not know
>what you have, and the location makes it that much more special.   This
>is also important when trading fish, it's nice to know where your new
>fish actually came from. This will help in appreciating other areas, much
>like some tropical
>fish enthusiasts are very interested in what happens in the amazon or
>victoria for example.  This is partially in regards to Mark Binkleys Fish
>Shipping/Trading letter in the back of the American Currents...
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