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I read your message on native fish and I found it fascinating. I live in
Michigan where native fish are plentiful. I recently bought a 65 gallon
tank for my tropicals and I have a 25 gallon tank that is almost empty
(except for my lonely pl*co) I have considered collecting a few blue
gills or sunfish from a local pond. My only concern with this is that
the fish may out grow the tank. My Silver dollars did. Also that the
blue gills may need colder water. How can I tell if either will happen?
Also if I put native fish in what type of plants should I use? Do they
eat plants? I have a 10 gallon tropical plant tank that I considered
enlarging to the 25 gallon tank, but I'm not sure if the native fish
would let me. Do you have any ideas? I would appreciate the advice. 
I'm extremely interested. Thanks for your time.

>                        Our Hidden Jewels
>                          Robert Rice
>      It appears  that many of our States fishermen and
> Naturalist are overlooking a resource of beauty unparalleled
> in the world. This item is exported and established in
> Europe and Asia where it has been winning awards and fame.
> Yet here at home it is virtually ignored .
>     What are we missing you may wonder? Is  it some rare
> unknown plant , an exotic mineral, the latest batch from a
> micro winery? No, these gems are our non game native fishes.
>  When you say non game fishes most people say "nothing to
> 'em. dull as dust".  As an aquarist and amateur naturalist I
> can tell you  our natives are among the most beautiful and
> easy to keep fish in the world .They rival most tropicals
> and a great many Saltwater fish in color and diversity of
> body types.
>      Surprised? A great many people are, they have  gotten
> the mistaken notion that the only fish worth investigating
> are the game fish, and the only fish worth keeping are the
> tropicals.
>      I spend allot of my free time collecting and studying
> our natives ,so my idea of fishing is a bit different. While
> many of my peers labor away at bass and trout I  take a
> stranger turn. I spent hours mucking around with seine and
> dip nets catching "bait" and more than a few puzzled looks.
> "What 'cha catching there fella" I hear it often and enjoy
> getting the chance to explain what most people have been
> missing.
>       You may wonder what does it take to get started in
> keeping non game natives. For the novice to either
> collecting or keeping  fish I recommend the following a tank
> of at least 20 gallons setup and  waiting for fish, natives
> are extremely tolerant to temperature and water variables so
> avoid the extremes and fluctuations and you'll be fine.
> You'll need a fishing license and  an awareness of local
> regulations regarding collecting . The  collecting gear I
> recommend is  a  4 foot 1/8 th. inch seine net,  an 1/8 dip
> net (Try to avoid larger mesh as it can harm the fish)
> .Additional items you'll want to bring include bug spray ,
> buckets, zip lock bags and a partner if you can talk someone
> into it make the trip.
>          Once all your gear is in your ready for action
> .Pick a spot that is convenient, away from sport fishermen ,
> and looks like it's got a regular water flow and jump in
> Now some people prefer to use waders. I am what they call a
> Primitive Collector, shorts , tennis shoes ,  and  my
> testosterone aided attitude is all I use. My greatest joy is
> being waist deep in mud as the water tickles my chin and I
> navigate my net past a tree trunk .Others who are much wiser
> or have a more realistic self perception (My Wife for
> instance) take a more civilized route waders, sunscreen,
> picnic lunch etc. You of course will find your own way of
> doing things as there is no one right way.  The most
> important thing to remember is be smart, don't take what you
> shouldn't , don't keep what you don't want, and don't take
> what you don't have room for. The second most important
> thing is not how you do it, but that you enjoy doing it  .
>         After I have caught my prize I gently bag them in a
> zip lock bag with a small amount of water and allot of blown
> in air. Pack them away from the sun and repeat until happy.
> In my experience trips that are less than two hours away
> from your home and your tanks are the best. Once at home
> open the bags floating them in the tank for around 20
> minutes until the temperatures are equal then dip out your
> fish into the tank, never, I repeat, never dump the water
> into the tank, that is the number one way to transmit
> disease and parasites.
>      You'll find with a little care and attention your new
> additions will quickly adapt to domestic life and will come
> up to greet you at feeding time. In time with proper care
> and a little luck your catch may even spawn in the tank.
>      People often wonder what fish work well in an aquarium
> so here are some that I have kept and really enjoy:
>      Orange-spotted sunfish (Lepomis Humilus): This colorful
> little sunfish adapts readily to domestic life. It's been
> recently introduced to the European pet industry. It will
> commonly spawn in an aquarium. The breeding colors of the
> males make them one of the most beautiful fish in the world.
>      Central Longear (Lepomis M. Megalotis  ) : This
> beautiful and durable sunfish is  attractive year round,
> eats anything from worms to frozen tropical fish food to
> dried dog food soaked in water. It is intelligent and will
> often eat out of your hand . It's looks remind me of the
> discus and it's hardiness is unparalleled.
>      Red Shiner (Notropis Lutrensis ): This colorful and
> very adaptable minnow with its red fins and bluish body is
> an eye catcher in any tank. It readily eats flake food and
> is sometimes sold in the pet industry as a "Redhorse
> Shiner".
>      Southern Red Belly Dace (Phoxinus erythrogaster): This
> gorgeous little minnow is truly a world class fish. In
> England,  they have peaked in their domestic popularity,
> commonly winning national trade shows, and with it's red
> belly and yellow fins it is no wonder!
>      Of course there are many other central United States
> species that are very well suited for the aquarium. However
> almost all of your sport fish and cold water species are not
> .So do yourself and the fish a favor and don't try it!
>        People have often asked me "Why are you such an
> advocate for native fish?". I will tell you why, I believe
> we will not preserve things that we do not love,  and we
> cannot love things that we have not known. So that is why I
> work to share with others, all the wonderfull native species
> we have. In the hope that  my great grandchildren can
> someday look across a prairie stream and see a flash of
> color in the water and begin to wonder  aloud "What was
> that?" and start on their own journey to knowing.