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Re: silversides

 Here's a quick 'two cents' from an amateur...when collecting, carry
several battery powered air pumps with you and keep your water well
oxygenated that way.  Also, try using ice.  It's an old fisherman's trick
from around here.  Dumping ice on the fish...in MODERATE amounts will cool
them and seems to calm them.  Of course, if their metabolism is slowed by
the cooler water they would be calmer. :-)  Maybe everybody knows this
stuff already, but I thought I'd mention it just the same.  It has worked
wonders for me.  I have managed to bring home alive several dozen shiners
in one 5 gal. bucket in about 3 inches of water on an 8 hour drive using a
these techniques.



On Wed, 24 Jun 1998 peter.unmack at ASU_Edu wrote:

> On Wed, 24 Jun 1998, Dwight Moody wrote:
> Since I am on an anal surge today I figure I'll keep going.  :-)
> > 1. These fish are physically set up for rapid bursts of speed, having an 
> > extended torpedo shape.
> Virtually all fish, irrespective of their overall morphology (shape) are
> capable of rapid bursts of speed over short distances.
> > 2. Being pelagic fish, they are very active, thus have a higher than 
> > normal need for oxygen.
> Pelagic is a term limited to ocean dwelling fish.  Pelagic is defined as the
> open water area of the ocean.  By that definition freshwater critters are
> excluded.  An equivelent term for freshwater doesn't really exist as far as I
> am aware.
> > 3. Early reports indicated that fish such as these are quite delicate 
> > and the stress of capture causes significant mortality.
> Nobody really knows why.  It seems to be mostly related to water temp in my
> experience (or in other words I think that is the most important factor). 
> Other suggestions made in the past include adding salt and not removing the
> fish from the water, keep densities low, collect at night, keep densities low.  
> > 4. Further investigation revealed that pelagic fish are VERY intolerant 
> > of low oxygen levels and changes in temperature or water quality.  If 
> > adequate O2 can be maintained, along with ensuring minimal temperature 
> > and water quality changes, survivorship is greatly improved.
> It varies.  One of the Australian species tolerates O2 as low as 0.5 mg O2 /
> litre.  I don't think that generalization holds much water overall for
> silversides (atherinids).  Anyway, if you avoid crowding and keep them cool O2
> will not be an issue.
> > 5. Stress seems to be a major factor in mortality. Water additives such 
> > as Hypno and Ship Right, which contain mild sedatives, may be invaluable 
> > in calming the fish and reducing stress and self-inflicted damage due to 
> > impacting the walls of the container they are placed in. Both products 
> > are available from Mail Order Pet Shop. Hypno is item #A2620, $4.99 for 
> > 8 oz; Ship Right is item #A5708, $35.99 for 9 pounds.
> This would certainly be an interesting thing to try.  Few folks seem to have
> messed with sedatives.  One of the difficulties seems to be you need to bring
> the fish back out slowly, if you do it rapid they apparently freak out a bit.
> I've never done it, but that is what was said to me.
> > 7. At some point in the near future, we should do a study analyzing 
> > mortality and morbidity (i.e., death or disease/damage) using various 
> > shipping systems and products to find out, scientifically, what works 
> > the best.
> But you can't control what the post office does with them inbetween.  Also,
> it's near impossible to keep the shipping water conditions the same.  These
> could be important details.  You would need to do it in such a way that they
> weren't actually shipped but lived in a box for a few days and were driven
> around in a car or something like.
> Tootles
> Peter J Unmack 			peter.unmack at asu_edu
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