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"Norman Dennis Edelen, Jr." <normane at hevanet_com>: Re: NANFA-- Hellbenders

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From: "Norman Dennis Edelen, Jr." <normane at hevanet_com>
To: <nanfa at aquaria_net>
Subject: Re: NANFA-- Hellbenders
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 18:16:51 -0800
Message-ID: <01bd2549$94724900$e73c77cc at normane_hevenet.com>

Hi All,

>From what I understand, Cope's Giant Salamander (Dicamptodon copei) is a
separate species from the Pacific Giant Salamander (Dicamptodon ensatus).
Both species occur in my area, and both of which most often remain in
their
larval form into adulthood.  I have never seen the terrestrial form of
either species.

In the aquarium the Pacific Giant Salamander seems quite adaptable.  It
eats
earthworms readily.  It doesn't seem too intolerant of high temperatures,
as
I have maintained them through the summer months, when my tanks often
reach
the high 80's.  I have never kept them in an unfiltered tank, but rather
one
with undergravel filterplates powered with powerheads.  This supplies
constant current, which they seem to like, and it keeps the water well
aerated.   I have seen Cope's Giant Salamander, but have never kept them
in
captivity.

Norm
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From: Jeff Fullerton <tcmajorr at westol_com>
To: nanfa at aquaria_net <nanfa at aquaria_net>
Date: Monday, January 19, 1998 12:55 PM
Subject: Re: NANFA-- Hellbenders


>Dear Norman
>Very interesting.
>I never imagined anyone keeping that species
>I assume you are speaking of the neotenous form of Dicomtodon ensatus -
>recently classified as D. copei ? I would imagine that it would require
>very cool water to survive ? Is it easy to keep and has anyone succeeded
in
>captive breeding ?
>
>Actually I'm more into newts and the Ambystomids - perfering the
>terrestrial forms. Would love to know if you ever see the land dwelling
>form of Giant Salamander or the Arboreal Salamander - Aneides lugrubis ?
> Jeff From PA
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>> From: Norman Dennis Edelen, Jr. <normane at hevanet_com>
>> To: nanfa at aquaria_net
>> Subject: Re: NANFA-- Hellbenders
>> Date: Monday, January 19, 1998 2:26 PM
>>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> There was an interesting article about maintaining hellbenders a
couple
>of
>> years ago in Tropical Fish Hobbyist.
>>
>> Out here in Oregon I prefer Giant Pacific Salamanders.  They retain
their
>> larval characteristics into adulthood, and can get up to 12" long.
>Really
>> neat animal for the aquarium.
>>
>> Norm
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Jeff Fullerton <tcmajorr at westol_com>
>> To: nanfa at aquaria_net <nanfa at aquaria_net>
>> Date: Sunday, January 18, 1998 8:32 PM
>> Subject: Re: NANFA-- Hellbenders
>>
>>
>> >Dear Martin
>> >
>> >I didn't realize they were that tough !
>> >Still I'm not really too keen about messing with them despite my love
of
>> >most herps which equals my love for fish. They're ranked in that big
,
>> >bizzare & nasty category along with snapping turtles and eels !
>Interesting
>> >but mean and ugly as sin !
>> >And they take up alot of room !
>> >Now maybe a mudpuppy or waterdog might be more my speed.
>> >If I could get one of the dwarf species that gets no more than a foot
>long
>> >, perferably less. Necturus punctatus anyone ?
>> >Good Nite.
>> >
>> >Jeff from PA
>> >
>> >> I kept a Hellbender which I collected in Blue Ridge, GA for a
couple
>> >> of years.  He was  2 feet long and the ugliest animal I have ever
>> >> seen.  He mainly ate night crawlers, and copied their habits by
>> >> escaping periodically.  I would find him half-dried under a
bookcase
>> >> or some such, covered with dust.  The locals despised these
>> >> creatures.  The Hellbenders would take a hook intended for trout.
>> >> Their reward was to get their head lopped off and their carcass
>> >> tossed onto the riverbank.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Prost,
>> >>
>> >> Martin
>> >>
>> >> -----------------------------------------------------------
>> >> Greater American Freshwater Fishes Resource Site (GAFFeRs):
>> >http://www.localink4.com/~archimedes/
>> >>
>> >> "Fie on thee, fellow!  Whence come these fishes?" - Scheherazade
>> >>
>> >> "Any fish with good teeth is liable to use them." - Wm. T. Innes
>> >>
>>
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