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RE: NANFA-BOD-- Re: OCT ads updated
- To: BGran83736 at aol_com, nanfa-bod at aquaria_net, nanfa at aquaria_net, nanf at actwin_com, Bill.White at 110_sunshine.com, robertrice at juno_com
- Subject: RE: NANFA-BOD-- Re: OCT ads updated
- From: "Bock, Robert" <BockR at hd03_nichd.nih.gov>
- Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 09:23:11 -0400
- Cc: cdscharpf at wbdoner_com, dhalls at juno_com, jbondhus at lkdllink_net, BGran83736 at aol_com
Just to weigh in here--I think the disclaimer is a good idea, Robert.
Some people might get the wrong idea that NANFA sanctions the stuff in
the Trading Post.
Regarding the idea of not running items for sale in the Trading Post--I
don't know whether we should do it, but I think the BOD should
definitely consider it.
We accept ads. But if we're going to run stuff for free in the Trading
Post, no one will pay us to run their ad. In fact, we could use the
revenue. Perhaps the Trading Post should be what it's name suggests, a
place for Trades. (Otherwise, maybe we should call it "The Market
At this point, I'm not advocating either position. But I think as BOD
members, the responsible thing is to discuss it.
BOD members, what are your thoughts?
From: robertrice at juno_com [SMTP:robertrice at juno_com]
Sent: Thursday, October 16, 1997 5:51 PM
To: BGran83736 at aol_com; nanfa-bod at aquaria_net;
nanfa at aquaria_net; nanf at actwin_com; Bill.White at 110_sunshine.com
Cc: Bock, Robert; cdscharpf at wbdoner_com; dhalls at juno_com;
robertrice at juno_com; jbondhus at lkdllink_net; BGran83736 at aol_com
Subject: NANFA-BOD-- Re: OCT ads updated
On Thu, 16 Oct 1997 21:58:12 -0400 (EDT) BGran83736 at aol_com
>RE: Oct Ads "up-dated" :
>What's the deal about the native fishes being offered soon for
>from the fellow in Denmark, offering native sunfish and
>you think that as an Organization, such ads should be placed on
NANFA Trading ><sic Post Ad page?
Yes I think that as the trading post ad says anything native
is ok here. You will notice more than one add selling
fish, magazines, live foods etc. in the trading post on a
>If this is a commercial operation, then the advertiser should
>pay for an ad in the publications of NANFA or otherwise not
>exposure at all.
Well several other folks since I have been in NANFA have used
post to sell things commercially Jim Forsheys book shop is a
no one complained about that.......Nor of the Missiphishippi
Peter Rollos ad etc etc etc..............
And I think that this function of the Trading Post should be
>that, a non-commercial NANFA publication.
I disagree I think the Trading Post should be a meeting place
with similar interests to share wants. In this case Most
Aquarist can not get N.A> natives due to restrictive importation
laws..............This solves a need for them.
>While I agree that someone needs to be propagating these
>species for distribution to the world, that we shouldn't let
>out of hand. After all, we have a mandate to promote North
fishes, but that doesn't include an automatic right to exploit
fishes of our
continent. Are this fellow's native fishes truly domestically
What proof do we have of that?
He has sent me pictures of his Greenhouse he built for this
flew to My house from Copenhagen and legally collected with me a
amount of the species listed and carried them back to Denmark as
>I totally disagree with dishonest promotion of the sale of
>American native species in any shape or form, and furthermore
forms of using the North American Native Fishes Association for
In what sense do you define personal gain?. I gain from my
with NANFA members I gain from the info here and I gain from
buying fishies from folks here............If you mean personal
gain have you ever sold a fish, a book, a native fish related
If so you are guilty of breaking your own law.
As for the Credo fish thing here is my take on it. He is a NANFA
he spent 1000's of dollars to come here and take a small amount
legally caught broood stock back to europe to domestically
input from European Aquarists can only help our cause and the
conservation movement. Our biggest problem is ignorance of the
lets say 5 years from now the Longear is established in Europe
showcased reguarly in Aquarium publications ..........well now
someone talks about the plight of the longear in XYZ creek it
now has an
instant supportive audience.
As for the Trading Post I watched it die not to many years ago
it's former steward kept adding limitations and rules that made
and more difficult to advertise till it ceased all together. I
that I don't approve or dissapprove of any ads in the trading
post . It
is up to the parties involved to police themselves and to remain
the various legalities. I dont tell people what is a good/bad
it is not our bussiness.
I would be happy to put a disclaimer on the top of the ad saying
something to the effect that all ads are the responsibility of
individuals and NANFA does not endorse the legitimacy of any ads
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