Actualy Dave, I have a question for you.... how did you put in a Reply To: header for AOL? As far as Traps, the best source seem to be from tackle catalogs. Next time you are in the drugstore, pick up a copy of Field and Stream or such magazine and take the adress out of them... As far as making them, its much easier to goto a store, see one, and try to mimick it.... they're pretty straight-foward.... :-)> <>< J. L. Wiegert