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NFC: Re: Re: Nominations, Two.

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----- Original Message -----
From: Joshua Wiegert <JLW at dune_net>
To: <nfc at actwin_com>
Cc: <chris at yonderway_com>
Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 5:47 PM
Subject: NFC: Re: Nominations, Two.


> Chris, all.
>
> Unfortunately, there are not enough people to have a full election.  There
> are five people currently nominated, and default elected, to the board.
> They are:  Klaus Schoening, Paul Sachs, Konrad Schmid, Luke McCLurg, and
Joe
> T.  If you check the Flier, it says five board members were required.  Two
> of these would be selected to act as VP and Treasurer, the other three as
> alternates.  We have five members.
>
> Simply put, we can't allow constant rolling nominations.  Every nomination
> takes up room in the Flier, and it is in its final stages, preparing to be
> mailed out. So, it would take a complete reworking to put someone in.
> Beyond that, there was a deadline, and it must be honoured.
>
> Default elections are not a bad thing.  In a smaller organisation, it is
> very often the norm.  These individuals were all nominated by others -- no
> one nominated themselves.  Several of them were nominated multiple times.
> They were the only nominations received.  If we had gotten six people
> nominated to run for President, we would be forced to have a full
election,
> but only one was.  And, by luck, just the right number were nominated for
> Board.  RR and I had discussed what would happen should minimal
nominations
> occur, and agreed that a default election would most likely occur.  I had
> personally hoped for a bigger turn-out of nominations, but ... they didn't
> come in.
>
> Chris, I didn't hear you nominate any one else, or anyone before the 28th.
> Indeed, if anyone is to blame for the small turn-out of nominations, it is
> our membership.  Nominations were called for on a number of occassions,
and
> very few individuals made them.  I was quite flexible as to how they could
> be sent in -- post dated by the 15th, e-mailed by the 28th (since snail
mail
> takes much longer to be delivered than e-mail), nominate yourself,
nominate
> others, nominate as many as you please.
>
>
>
> Joshua.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: robert a rice <robertrice at juno_com>
> To: <nfc at actwin_com>
> Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 4:23 PM
> Subject: NFC: Nominations, Two.
>
>
> > Chris,
> >
> > How easily though are slighted :)
> >
> >
> > The deadline is just that a deadline. If You (who normaly is a stickler
> > for the rules) are allowed to enter the race after the deadline what
> > would I then say to the non email list members who may or may not  be
> > interested running about deadlines. They dont count ? They only matter
if
> > it suits you ? It only matters if It does not offend Chris and his
> > untarned reputation ? Im sorry your feelings are hurt, but I handled it
> > as it should be handled. We should follow the rules we set up as best we
> > can.Simple as that.
> >
> > There was a several Week window in wich to nominate yourself. So
> > insulting me won't shift the blame. You chose not to nominate yourself
> > until after the deadline. No one forced you to wait until after the
> > deadline of Feb 28.
> >
> > Im sorry your feelings are hurt. Good luck to you
> >
> > RR
> >
> > On 07 Mar 2002 15:57:21 -0500 Chris Hedemark <chris at yonderway_com>
> > writes:
> > > Good afternoon folks.  It's the oversight police again.
> > >
> > > On Thu, 2002-02-28 at 20:26, Joshua Wiegert wrote:
> > >
> > > > This is a present up-date as to who is running.....  This is the
> > > last day to
> > > > e-mail any nominations, so GET THEM OUT NOW. :)
> > >
> > > This made a lot of sense until you add the numbers:
> > >
> > > > Nominated and Accepted.
> > > > Robert Rice, President (still only presidential candidate.
> > > Everyone else for
> > > > the board.)
> > > > Paul Sachs
> > > > Konrad Schmidt
> > > > Luke McClurg
> > >
> > > That gives you four people running for the board out of five open
> > > slots
> > > (three officers, two alternates)
> > >
> > > > Nominated and not YET accepted -- please contact me as to whether
> > > or not
> > > > you're going to.
> > > > Sajjad Lateef
> > > > Joe T.
> > >
> > > Sajjad has since declined.  So now it will be quite impossible to
> > > fill
> > > the five seats with the current lineup, even if Joe runs.
> > >
> > > Believe it or not, I do want to help.  I wrote to Josh, and offered
> > > my
> > > own time for the next round of elections.  I had no illusions that
> > > the
> > > majority of people listed above would elect me into one of the
> > > officer
> > > positions but I'd at least be willing to sit in as an alternate in
> > > case
> > > we lose another officer like we did with our treasurer.
> > >
> > > Josh is a very reasonable guy, IMHO, but he felt he couldn't make
> > > the
> > > decision on his own.  He went back to RR and asked if my name should
> > > be
> > > included on the ballot.  Our president said "no".
> > >
> > > It's not like the ballot has gone out or anything.  And it's not
> > > like
> > > there are already enough names to fill the available seats.  I
> > > honestly
> > > think if it were anyone else stepping forward, that they would have
> > > been
> > > included on the ballot.  Instead, Mr. Rice would rather *appoint*
> > > the
> > > two alternates to the BOD.
> > >
> > > After the last bit of controversy that surrounded the mismanagement
> > > of
> > > our club, I was disappointed in Mr. Rice's handling of the matter
> > > but
> > > satisfied that he would try to fix the situation.  Now I am not so
> > > sure.  This, my fellow fish heads, is an example of politics at
> > > work.
> > > Instead of accepting a volunteer into an alternate position in the
> > > BOD,
> > > Mr. Rice instead decided to silently decline my offer and allow the
> > > ballots to go out with one or two fewer names on them than their
> > > were
> > > seats available.  In other words, there will not be an election,
> > > Mr.
> > > Rice will be your president for the next three years by default, and
> > > the
> > > three people that have accepted nominations will be your officers.
> > >
> > > I think it would have been appropriate for Mr. Rice to at least
> > > consult
> > > the general membership before flatly declining any sort of
> > > competition
> > > on the ballot.
> > >
> > > Yes, my offer came in a few days late.  I wasn't even going to put
> > > my
> > > name in until I noticed the names of nominees numbered fewer than
> > > the
> > > number of BOD positions.
> > >
> > > The NFC ended the year 2001 learning of secrets hidden by our
> > > officers.
> > > The NFC is going into 2002 (and the next three years) with dirty
> > > hands
> > > at the helm again.
> > >
> > > I do not wish to be a part of such an organization.  Association
> > > with it
> > > tarnishes my good name.  Please remove me from the roster, and
> > > terminate
> > > my membership.
> > >
> > > --
> > > ***********************************************************
> > > | Rev. Chris Hedemark, DD
> > > | Hillsborough, NC
> > > | http://yonderway.com
> > > | GPG Public Key - http://yonderway.com/chris/hedemark.gpg
> > > ***********************************************************
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > Robert Rice - NFC president   www.nativefish.org
> >
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