All I have to say ( and believe me I have a LOT to say about all this ) is..... GROUP HUG ????? NOW CAN WE PLEASE TALK ABOUT NATIVE FISH ??? Robert, I will help in any way I can.... let me know OFFLIST please as I think BOT/BOD and other NON fish related subjects should be done by PRIVATE e-mail. "member charles" Charles Anderton Round Rock, Texas