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Re: NFC: Eagle Parts was RE: Auctions OT ?

To: nfc at actwin_com
Subject: Re: NFC: Eagle Parts was RE: Auctions OT ?
From: "Scott Olson" <olson7 at hotmail_com>
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 09:57:10 -0700
Yes,

It's especially silly in view of the fact that all birds moult (lose all 
their old feathers and grow new ones) every year.  Some even moult twice a 
year.  And you can't touch the moulted feathers without fear of the long arm 
of Big Brother.  All we like sheep....


>From: "Chris Hedemark" <chris at yonderway_com>
>Reply-To: nfc at actwin_com
>To: <nfc at actwin_com>
>Subject: Re: NFC: Eagle Parts was RE: Auctions OT ?
>Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 11:17:55 -0400
>
>This law is one of the sillier ones on the books.   I have a pair of hawks
>nesting in my back yard (it's like Marty Stauffer's Wild America back 
>there)
>and it would be neat to hang a couple of the feathers from the rear view
>mirror in my truck.  But I dare not because of the strong arm tactics of 
>the
>federal government.  Oooooooh don't get me started.  The founding fathers
>are rolling over in their graves, disgusted of what we've done with the
>nation they gave us.
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Wally Billingham" <wallybillingham at wallybillingham_com>
>To: <nfc at actwin_com>
>Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 11:23 AM
>Subject: Re: NFC: Eagle Parts was RE: Auctions OT ?
>
>
> > So did I break the law this spring when I found a dead redtail hawk in 
>my
> > yard badly decomposed after a winter under snow, and just tossed it in 
>the
> > trash? Hawks like this are very, very common around here.
> >
> > Wally
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: jake levi <jlevi_us at yahoo_com>
> > To: <nfc at actwin_com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 11:01 AM
> > Subject: Re: NFC: Eagle Parts was RE: Auctions OT ?
> >
> >
> > > Kris you are on target, another  use is for those
> > > holding valid Falconry permits, some wing (flight
> > > feathers) can be retained from season to season from
> > > the permitted birds' prior molts for the purpose of
> > > 'imping'(repairing a damaged flight feather). Most
> > > states include this permission along with the permit
> > > to hold a captive bird.
> > >
> > > Captive bred birds are also regulated, and births ,
> > > deaths and disposition of any body parts must be
> > > reported.
> > >
> > >  The imping is more common among the actual falcons
> > > then hawks although Goldens also tend to screw up new
> > > feathers.
> > >
> > > However, possession of ANY raptor in the US or Canada
> > > is strictly regulated and violators are fined and
> > > jailed. Obtaining a permit is only after a several
> > > year apprentice program in all states and Canada.
> > >
> > > The majority of the feathers that you see Native
> > > Indians using at powwows etc are either turkey or
> > > goose feathers. Possession of actual raptor feathers
> > > for religious ceremonies is as Kris stated regulated.
> > > There are very few such actual ceremonys performed
> > > today, mostly in the southwest and the upper midwest,
> > > and the feathers used are almost always from
> > > accidental death birds.
> > >
> > > jake
> > >
> > > jake
> > >
> > >
> > > --- Kristine Weisbrod Massin <kwmprairie at hotmail_com>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Okay--I've had to enforce this law before and that
> > > > is NOT how it works.  NO
> > > > ONE in the US can possess any part (whether feather,
> > > > talon, or whathaveyou)
> > > > or nest of any migratory bird (including neotropical
> > > > migrants such as robins
> > > > & bluebirds).  In addition to this law, the Bald and
> > > > Golden Eagle Act and
> > > > (up until this year) the Endangered Species Act
> > > > (bald eagle only) also
> > > > protect these birds.  Those are the laws which
> > > > prevent ANYONE--whether
> > > > native american, ignorant 7 year old, or trigger
> > > > happy redneck--from
> > > > possessing or harming these birds.  IF you think
> > > > about it for a minute the
> > > > reason they had to ban possession rather than just
> > > > killing is pretty
> > > > obvious--very difficult to have witnesses everywhere
> > > > to see someone poison
> > > > or shoot an eagle.  Everyone could simply claim that
> > > > they found the body or
> > > > feathers or whatever.
> > > >
> > > > HOWEVER, anyone who has a valid use for eagle
> > > > feathers or parts--whether
> > > > that use is religious or educational--may fill out
> > > > an application, submit it
> > > > to the Fish & Wildlife Service, and get put on the
> > > > waiting list.  When your
> > > > name comes up, your bird or bird parts will be
> > > > shipped to you.  Anyone
> > > > finding any raptor body or parts (electrocution is
> > > > the number one cause of
> > > > death for these birds)is supposed to get the birds
> > > > to the National Eagle and
> > > > Wildlife Repository which is located just north of
> > > > Denver, CO (and
> > > > incidentally at the same complex where I work)--you
> > > > can either mail them or
> > > > turn them over to your state agency which will do it
> > > > for you.
> > > >
> > > > If you have a VALID use for a part, it is purely
> > > > first-come, first-serve.
> > > > Even though I eat lunch with the repository staff &
> > > > work for the FWS, I have
> > > > exactly the same wait time as everyone else when I
> > > > need a part for my
> > > > education programs.  Right now, it is about 2 years
> > > > if you want a whole
> > > > adult bird--juvenile birds are less, and parts &
> > > > feathers are considerably
> > > > less.
> > > >
> > > > Take the time to find out what the laws really are
> > > > before you start spouting
> > > > off next time.
> > > >
> > > > -kris
> > > >
> > > > >From: piney01 at webtv_net (Francis Wagner)
> > > > >Reply-To: nfc at actwin_com
> > > > >To: nfc at actwin_com
> > > > >Subject: Re: NFC: RE: Auctions OT ?
> > > > >Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 18:21:32 -0400 (EDT)
> > > > >
> > > > >yes i agree with that. i heard on the news
> > > > yesterday that if a whiteman
> > > > >like us pick up a feather from a bald  eagle and
> > > > keeps it and takes it
> > > > >home and if the police or  the government knows you
> > > > have one they will
> > > > >give you a heavy fine and you could go to jail. the
> > > > only people that can
> > > > >keep them are the redskins the the united states.
> > > > that makes me sick.
> > > > >why is that      us white folks are always being
> > > > picked on. we should
> > > > >turn the table around for a change.     frank
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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