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Subject: Native Fish Conservancy Digest V2 #433


>
> Native Fish Conservancy Digest Thursday, January 25 2001 Volume 02 :
Number 433
>
>
>
> In this issue:
>
> Re: NFC: cories?
> Re: NFC: cories?
> Re: NFC: Re: Kinda OT...Book Question
> Re: NFC: cories?
> Re: NFC: AUCTION Update-ADDED 2LB LIVE WORMS
> NFC: Re: 10g Office Tank
> Re: NFC: 10g Office Tank
> Re: NFC: 10g Office Tank
> [none]
> Re: NFC: cories?
> Re: NFC: Re: Kinda OT...Book Question
> Re: NFC: 10g Office Tank
> NFC: Re: Duckweed removal
>
> See the end of the digest for information on unsubscribing from the
> NFC Digest mailing list and on how to retrieve back issues.
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> Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 18:58:01 -0500
> From: "Scott D. Goett" <sdgoett at ufl_edu>
> Subject: Re: NFC: cories?
>
> I am in Broward country now.  If you can send me directions or a location
really soon I may stop there on my way back to gainesville and give my new
net a try and try to find me some.
>
> Scott
>
>
> Doug Dame wrote:
>
> > Scott Goett wrote:
> >
> > >>  Does anyone know if and where you can
> > >>  find/collect cories or other small catfish
> > >>  in FL?
> >
> > Scott, if Chris "Bucket Boy" Guppenberger doesn't respond to this ... I
was expecting that he would ...[insert "Final Jeopardy" music here]  ... I
think I can tell/show you on a map where he took us a couple of months ago
in north Broward county where we found some exotic cory-type catfish that
AFAIK we still haven't definitely identified. They weren't exactly plentiful
on that day, but we did get some.
> >
> > Doug
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 16:06:47 -0800 (PST)
> From: jake levi <jlevi_us at yahoo_com>
> Subject: Re: NFC: cories?
>
> Scott
>
> are you netting chads now?
>
> jake
> - --- "Scott D. Goett" <sdgoett at ufl_edu> wrote:
> > I am in Broward country now.  If you can send me
> > directions or a location really soon I may stop
> > there on my way back to gainesville and give my new
> > net a try and try to find me some.
> >
> > Scott
> >
> >
> > Doug Dame wrote:
> >
> > > Scott Goett wrote:
> > >
> > > >>  Does anyone know if and where you can
> > > >>  find/collect cories or other small catfish
> > > >>  in FL?
> > >
> > > Scott, if Chris "Bucket Boy" Guppenberger doesn't
> > respond to this ... I was expecting that he would
> > ...[insert "Final Jeopardy" music here]  ... I think
> > I can tell/show you on a map where he took us a
> > couple of months ago in north Broward county where
> > we found some exotic cory-type catfish that AFAIK we
> > still haven't definitely identified. They weren't
> > exactly plentiful on that day, but we did get some.
> > >
> > > Doug
> >
>
>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 16:27:18 -0800
> From: "Norman Edelen" <normane at edelendoors_com>
> Subject: Re: NFC: Re: Kinda OT...Book Question
>
> I think Peter goes by Gina in the US.
>
> Norm
>
> - -----------------------------------------------------------------
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> 20 years of conservation efforts, public education, and
> aquarium study of our native fishes.  Check it out at
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>
> - ----- Original Message -----
> From: Denkhaus, Robert <DenkhaR at Ci_Fort-Worth.TX.US>
> To: <nfc at actwin_com>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2001 12:44 PM
> Subject: RE: NFC: Re: Kinda OT...Book Question
>
>
> Ty,
>
> I checked with our volunteer librarian (who is a retired professional
> librarian) regarding your dilemma.  She suggests three possibilities:
>
> 1) They are different books.
> 2) They are the same book but one is in paperback and the other is
hardback
> - - apparently they get different ISBN's because of their physical
> differences.
> 3) They are the same book and somebody made a mistake.  (She says this is
> rare for ISBN's)
>
> She recommends that you check the publisher(s) if possible and of course
the
> basics like number of pages, chapters, figures/photos, etc.  If you can't
> find this info, she says to check with your local library...that's what
they
> get paid for.
>
> Hope this helps,
>
> Rob Denkhaus
> Fort Worth Nature Center & Refuge
>
> - -----Original Message-----
> From: Ty_Hall at eFunds_Com [mailto:Ty_Hall at eFunds_Com]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2001 2:09 PM
> To: nfc at actwin_com
> Subject: Re: NFC: Re: Kinda OT...Book Question
>
>
>
> Magazine Article: "Creating a natural aquarium", by Peter Hiscock, ISBN
> 1-903098-11-4. Cover depicts a frame of hand drawn images surrounding a
> black box that shows the book title, in green, a small descriptive
> paragraph, a photo of a fish tank and the author's name. Price: 7.99 (UK,
> can't do the L with the line through on my keyboard, pounds I think)
>
> Amazon: "Creating a natural aquarium", by Gina Sanford, ISBN 0764561413.
> Cover depicts a frame of hand drawn images (different images then above)
> surrounding a black box that shows the book title, in green, a small
> descriptive paragraph (same exact paragraph), a photo of a fish tank
> (different tank) and no author's name. Price $11.96
>
> I want the book described in the article but am not sure they are the
same.
>
> Is there a place to look up ISBN numbers?
>
> Ty
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 20:01:22 -0500
> From: "Doug Dame" <dameda at shands_ufl.edu>
> Subject: Re: NFC: cories?
>
> Scott Goett wrote:
>
> >>  I am in Broward country now.  If you can
> > > send me directions or a location really
> >>  soon I may stop there on my way back
> >> to gainesville and give my new net a try
> >> and try to find me some.
>
> Well, Mr. Guided-Fish-Missile, I'm at the office right now and don't have
my map handy to (refresh my memory and) give you an instant answer, but do
you have a DeLorme Florida Gazetteer to follow along or will I be needing to
spell out everything in detail?  (Unpaved roads are involved, and they're
washboardy but they're county-maintained, since there's' a std. concrete
boat ramp etc at the end.)
>
> Of course ... if you were just haaaaaaanging around down there in Broward
with nuthin' useful to do, you could go out collecting more than once. And
if you're really focusing on bringing back some of these trophy "exo-cats",
you actually might need to do that ... they're weren't exactly plentiful
when we were there, we probably came really close to landing 1.0 per
man-hour. But when Chris had been there before, he apparently got 30 or 40
in 10 minutes or less, so there's clearly MoN* involved, YMMV.
>
> And if you do have the later kind of success, plan on bringing back a
dozen or so more than you personally want to keep, please  I'd take a couple
myself, and by random strange chance the USGS "Nonindigenous Aquatic
Species" people are located here in Gainesville, we could maybe take some
over and see what they thought of 'em ... I suspect they'd be interested,
since I'm not sure these little guys are in their database yet.  (Heh, we
might even get little gold stars for our foreheads and spiffy paper badges
proclaiming us as official "Honorary Junior USGS Scientists." That doesn't
happen every day. At least, not to me.)
>
> Doug Dame
> Interlachen FL
>
>
>
> * Mysteries of Nature.
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 20:08:16 EST
> From: BR0630 at aol_com
> Subject: Re: NFC: AUCTION Update-ADDED 2LB LIVE WORMS
>
> I'll bid $10 on the worms.
> Bruce Scott
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 20:11:57 -0500
> From: "Chris Hedemark" <chris at yonderway_com>
> Subject: NFC: Re: 10g Office Tank
>
> Any pygmy sunfish would be neat in that tank.  You could do 3 or 4 SRBD or
> MRBD.  I wouldn't do both at the same time.  American Flagfish would be
cool
> in there.
>
> I've had bad experiences breeding in small tanks like that though.  The
> sudden increase in bioload is tough on a little tank unless you are really
> on top of it.
>
> Chris Hedemark - Hillsborough, NC
> http://yonderway.com
> - ----- Original Message -----
> From: "chuckmiro" <chuckmiro at wdn_com>
> To: "ML - NFC (E-mail)" <nfc at actwin_com>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2001 1:15 PM
> Subject: NFC: 10g Office Tank
>
>
> > I have a 10g tank in my office. Right now, I've got a couple of eastern
> > mudminnows and a bunch of White Clouds. If I got rid of the minnows,
what
> > other natives would be suitable for a 10g?
> >
> > I think it'd be neat to have a breeding population of something? Should
I
> > get more mudminnows (I think I've got two of the same sex right now), or
> > something else?
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > Chuck/Washington, DC
> >
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 20:48:33 -0500 (EST)
> From: stonecreeklock at webtv_net (Joseph Eisenhart)
> Subject: Re: NFC: 10g Office Tank
>
>      Hi Chuck, just to register my pick for your 10 gal office tank
> ,Heterandia formosa!!!  I flnd myself mesmerized by my 10 gal planted
> colony. If I've not completely inspired you, go to our articles. re-read
> " The Littlest Livebearer", and fall in love all over again.
>
> Joe  LMD  State College, PA  USA
> www.egroups.com/group/UniQuaria       :
> www.geocities.com/rr1fish                    :
> For the best fish in the net...Do Drop In   < *( ( ( ( (><
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 20:49:29 -0500 (EST)
> From: stonecreeklock at webtv_net (Joseph Eisenhart)
> Subject: Re: NFC: 10g Office Tank
>
>      Hi Chuck, just to register my pick for your 10 gal office tank
> ,Heterandia formosa!!!  I flnd myself mesmerized by my 10 gal planted
> colony. If I've not completely inspired you, go to our articles. re-read
> " The Littlest Livebearer", and fall in love all over again.
>
> Joe  LMD  State College, PA  USA
> www.egroups.com/group/UniQuaria       :
> www.geocities.com/rr1fish                    :
> For the best fish in the net...Do Drop In   < *( ( ( ( (><
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 20:16:09 -0800 (PST)
> From: BILL HOPPE <zzzzzzbill at yahoo_com>
> Subject: [none]
>
>     $ 10  ON THE REDWORMS
>
> =====
> Bill Hoppe
> Yellville Arkansas
> Why Yellville ? It saves on phone bills .
>
> __________________________________________________
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> Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices.
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>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 21:54:28 -0500
> From: "Scott D. Goett" <sdgoett at ufl_edu>
> Subject: Re: NFC: cories?
>
> I don't have a Gazetteer and I also haven't completed my net (ran into a
little difficulty with it).  I am also heading back to gainesville tomorrow
so by the time I find out where it is, it will probably bo too late and I
won't have the net done anyway.  Maybe another time.  Next time we get
together though I will have to get directions there so when I am heading
back from visiting my parents in S. FL I can try to get me some
(unfortunately that might not  be for a while).  I might have to make a
special trip for it.  By the way...are you sure it is in Broward county?  I
thought it was near Titusville (which I am pretty
> sure isn't in Broward - perhaps Brevard?).
>
> Scott
>
>
> Doug Dame wrote:
>
> > Scott Goett wrote:
> >
> > >>  I am in Broward country now.  If you can
> > > > send me directions or a location really
> > >>  soon I may stop there on my way back
> > >> to gainesville and give my new net a try
> > >> and try to find me some.
> >
> > Well, Mr. Guided-Fish-Missile, I'm at the office right now and don't
have my map handy to (refresh my memory and) give you an instant answer, but
do you have a DeLorme Florida Gazetteer to follow along or will I be needing
to spell out everything in detail?  (Unpaved roads are involved, and they're
washboardy but they're county-maintained, since there's' a std. concrete
boat ramp etc at the end.)
> >
> > Of course ... if you were just haaaaaaanging around down there in
Broward with nuthin' useful to do, you could go out collecting more than
once. And if you're really focusing on bringing back some of these trophy
"exo-cats", you actually might need to do that ... they're weren't exactly
plentiful when we were there, we probably came really close to landing 1.0
per man-hour. But when Chris had been there before, he apparently got 30 or
40 in 10 minutes or less, so there's clearly MoN* involved, YMMV.
> >
> > And if you do have the later kind of success, plan on bringing back a
dozen or so more than you personally want to keep, please  I'd take a couple
myself, and by random strange chance the USGS "Nonindigenous Aquatic
Species" people are located here in Gainesville, we could maybe take some
over and see what they thought of 'em ... I suspect they'd be interested,
since I'm not sure these little guys are in their database yet.  (Heh, we
might even get little gold stars for our foreheads and spiffy paper badges
proclaiming us as official "Honorary Junior USGS Scientists." That doesn't
happen every day. At least, not to me.)
> >
> > Doug Dame
> > Interlachen FL
> >
> > * Mysteries of Nature.
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 22:13:12 -0700
> From: "james graham" <busterg at voyager_net>
> Subject: Re: NFC: Re: Kinda OT...Book Question
>
> Norm,
> Does normane at edelendoors_com e-mail address work?
> Jim Graham
> Hastings, Mi
>
>
> - ----- Original Message -----
> From: Norman Edelen <normane at edelendoors_com>
> To: <nfc at actwin_com>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2001 5:27 PM
> Subject: Re: NFC: Re: Kinda OT...Book Question
>
>
> > I think Peter goes by Gina in the US.
> >
> > Norm
> >
> > -----------------------------------------------------------------
> > A proud member of
> > The Greater Portland Aquarium Society
> > www.gpas.org
> > -----------------------------------------------------------------
> > The North American Native Fishes Association:  over
> > 20 years of conservation efforts, public education, and
> > aquarium study of our native fishes.  Check it out at
> >  www.nanfa.org
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Denkhaus, Robert <DenkhaR at Ci_Fort-Worth.TX.US>
> > To: <nfc at actwin_com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2001 12:44 PM
> > Subject: RE: NFC: Re: Kinda OT...Book Question
> >
> >
> > Ty,
> >
> > I checked with our volunteer librarian (who is a retired professional
> > librarian) regarding your dilemma.  She suggests three possibilities:
> >
> > 1) They are different books.
> > 2) They are the same book but one is in paperback and the other is
> hardback
> > - apparently they get different ISBN's because of their physical
> > differences.
> > 3) They are the same book and somebody made a mistake.  (She says this
is
> > rare for ISBN's)
> >
> > She recommends that you check the publisher(s) if possible and of course
> the
> > basics like number of pages, chapters, figures/photos, etc.  If you
can't
> > find this info, she says to check with your local library...that's what
> they
> > get paid for.
> >
> > Hope this helps,
> >
> > Rob Denkhaus
> > Fort Worth Nature Center & Refuge
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Ty_Hall at eFunds_Com [mailto:Ty_Hall at eFunds_Com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2001 2:09 PM
> > To: nfc at actwin_com
> > Subject: Re: NFC: Re: Kinda OT...Book Question
> >
> >
> >
> > Magazine Article: "Creating a natural aquarium", by Peter Hiscock, ISBN
> > 1-903098-11-4. Cover depicts a frame of hand drawn images surrounding a
> > black box that shows the book title, in green, a small descriptive
> > paragraph, a photo of a fish tank and the author's name. Price: 7.99
(UK,
> > can't do the L with the line through on my keyboard, pounds I think)
> >
> > Amazon: "Creating a natural aquarium", by Gina Sanford, ISBN 0764561413.
> > Cover depicts a frame of hand drawn images (different images then above)
> > surrounding a black box that shows the book title, in green, a small
> > descriptive paragraph (same exact paragraph), a photo of a fish tank
> > (different tank) and no author's name. Price $11.96
> >
> > I want the book described in the article but am not sure they are the
> same.
> >
> > Is there a place to look up ISBN numbers?
> >
> > Ty
> >
> >
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 19:49:31 -0800
> From: Wright Huntley <huntley1 at home_com>
> Subject: Re: NFC: 10g Office Tank
>
> chuckmiro wrote:
> >
> > > one of my favorite groups for a 10g is a couple of
> > > Flagfish, in a heavily planted tank they are great and
> > > fascinating(to me).
> >
> > Thanks Jake. I might be interested in keeping the flagfish. I recently
saw a
> > nice color picture of them. Could I keep a male and a female in an
unheated
> > tank? Is there a possibility that they'd breed?
>
> I've bred them in a 10G tank, but they had to be separated by a divider
> before and after the spawning or he would have killed her. The males are
> pretty colors, but the females are more varied in color and pattern. In a
> small tank, I would keep only females. YMMV.
>
> Wright
>
> - --
> Wright Huntley, Fremont CA, USA, 510 494-8679  huntleyone at home dot com
>
>                   Paranoids of the world arise!
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>
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>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 22:54:09 -0500
> From: robert a rice <robertrice at juno_com>
> Subject: NFC: Re: Duckweed removal
>
> the duckweed removal site is up...visit it at
> http://www.nativefish.org/duckweed.index.html
>
> Robert Rice NFC  President
> Save those Fishes,  Join the Native Fish Conservancy
> http://www.nativefish.org
>
> ------------------------------
>
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