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Re: NFC: PoP Eye help
'Popeye' is as much a symptom as a of conditions as a
result of disease.As you state, a number of varied
causes. I have had far more luck, treating it with
marine fish then freshwater. What factor I think is
very likely to result in cases of it is overcrowding
and water quality. I have always done ample water
changes in freshwater tanks, and try not to crowd let
alone overcrowd. Its a lot easier to prevent then to
I wouldnot worry about the discoloration of your
water, it will fade, but, also, regular water changes
will disipate it. One thing to keep in mind is that
now you have little or no biofiltration going on so
you need to increase your mechanical filtration as
well as water changes.It will take two months or more
before you can count on effective biofiltration again
in this tank.
I have found 'popeye' to be of no contagion so follow
routine of draconian water changes when it occurs and
if the infected fish doesnot clear it up in a month I
have euthanised them. I think an incidence of at most
once a year is the most I have had. Crowding or water
quality dropping will bring it on fairly readily.
The occurence in marine fish seems to be more often
associated with treatable medications then in
freshwater, at least that seems my experience.
Not much help, but my suggetion is major water
changes, keep the temps up and augment the mechanical
filtration until your bio population re-establishes.
--- Stephen DiCerbo <mykiss at nycap_rr.com> wrote:
> OK, its time to defer to the experts......
> My last understanding of the affliction of Pop
> eye, is that it is
> generic type term that applies to a couple of
> different fish
> afflictions, one of of which is from an excess of
> nitrogen in the
> water. The Brown trout in the upper reaches of the
> Bighorn River are
> sometimes affected by this....
> But back home, in my 90 gallon tank, I am
> afraid that I had been
> lax on cleaning the gravel for quite a while, and a
> break down in
> filtration lead to a build up of organic waste......
> resulting in
> nitrates/nitrites/ammonia/nitrogen, I don't know
> what in the tank....
> My big largemouth slowly developed bulging eyes,
> and subsequently,
> and to a lesser degree, so did recent arrivals of a
> second largemouth
> and a bluegill.... so the affliction is most
> certainly from the water
> chemistry, and is universal.... I have never had
> much luck getting
> clear nitrate or nitrite reading, but an ammonia
> treatment and instant
> reading warning indicator say that ammonia isn't the
> Next the frustration part.... diagnosing this
> stuff.... surfing
> around, looking for a good, comprehensive disease
> site.... most are lacking and incomplete, and many
> are just copies of
> the others....
> The only real thing I found is one site that
> "Corneybacteriosis", caused by excess of ammonia or
> personally, I don't get the connection.... the
> name indicates a
> bacterial infection, the water chemistry thing
> indicates a chemical
> imbalance.... is something missing? another bad
> site info?
> It recommended Penicillin or tetracycline
> treatment, and so I
> Tetracycline... five days later and more than 20
> bucks lighter in the
> wallet, I had a tank of 90 gallons of extremely dark
> red discolored
> water, no indication of any effect on the pop eye ,
> and another big
> mess to clean up.... (oh, I spent 3 days cleaning
> the gravel with a
> vacuum, and it must be reasonably clean at this
> Only result, the big bass seemed to be looking
> worse for the
> wear... replaced a large portion of the water,
> and recleaned filter
> and new charcoal, and the water is now only
> moderately red. Although
> this is a neat effect for the tank, I am concerned
> about getting the
> fish treated without spending a fortune in over
> medicating them..
> Does anyone have any insight to this form of pop
> eye, and reversing
> the effects on the fish? does anyone know of of a
> real complete and
> definitive disease diagnostic sight which is better
> than the usual
> truck out there?
> thanks in advance
> Stephen Di Cerbo
> stephen at stormtree_com
> " Here comes the trout that must be caught
> with tickling. "
> - William Shakespeare -
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