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Re: NFC: On the local level how do we proceeed

Wright that was one of the most eloquent responses of the year!!!You win
4 free giveaway NFC memberships thank you and well done :)

Tell me where to send em ...you are the man :)

Robert Rice
Save those Fishes,  Join the Native Fish Conservancy
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> One catches far more flies with honey than with vinegar. That last 
> sentence,
> above, often sets the stage for initiating another of what has been 
> a long
> string of disasters. The press, the industry, and the politicians 
> just adore
> such things, but the benefit to the natural habitat is rarely 
> demonstrable.
> Assume the other guy is a bad guy -- not misinformed or ignorant, 
> but truly
> mean-spirited and uncaring. Use political action to bring force 
> against him.
> The interests of the bureaucrat and the interests of the industry
> mysteriously find themselves aligned and the exact *opposite* of 
> the
> intended outcome is assured. The poor conservationists who started 
> the
> process are dismayed at how much worse things have gotten and clamor 
> for use
> of even more force. If your objective is building a police state, it 
> may be
> a fairly good plan. If you are interested in species preservation, 
> it is,
> based on many results, one of the worst.
> I would prefer to never see another "Kill the Pupfish" bumper 
> sticker, that
> was the direct result of uncaring and insensitive bureaucrats and
> conservationists bent on ripping off the private property of someone 
> who
> bought and paid for it.
> My suggested alternative approach is to become very sure of your 
> facts about
> the threatened habitat. Get to know the state wildlife biologists. 
> Spend a
> bit of time also learning about the industry involved and what their 
> (both
> management and shareholders) problems and motives really are. Then 
> do a
> friendly and reasoned job of teaching the folks in that company 
> about the
> impact they could have, and explore *with them* things that could 
> provide
> protection without thwarting the needs of their shareholders. 
> Most CEOs would *love* to go to tha annual meeting and say how, for 
> a cost
> less than 1% of sales, they managed to protect this huge area from 
> the
> negative impact of the company's effluent. The shareholders really 
> dig that
> kind of action, if it is based on facts and reason, and if it makes 
> their
> company a better citizen of the community where they operate.
> You can help them get into a posture that shields them from future
> harrassment and law suits, while getting the blind crayfish and 
> snails a
> stout long-term protector in the person of a well-run and profitable 
> company
> that already owns their habitat or water source. You don't do it 
> with a chip
> on your shoulder. You do it with true caring and attempts to 
> understand the
> best way to achieve everyone's goals.
> If that approach fails, the Nature Conservacy has been able to help 
> such
> situations in many areas of the world. Contact them and see what 
> their
> approach might be.
> A tiny group of hobbyists starting from the Bay Area Killifish Assn. 
> and
> expanding from there has been instrumental in establishing a 
> wonderful
> relationship with many ranchers and others (like the power company 
> for Las
> Vegas) of central and southern Nevada. Go read about the Desert 
> Springs
> Action Committee at:
> http://www.tkphotos.com/DSAC/index.htm .
> One of the last resident ranchers in Ash Meadow Wildlife Preserve, 
> site of
> the original Devil's Hole Pupfish "fight," routinely has us over 
> for, or
> joins our barbeque on our work trips there each fall. He, BTW, was
> instrumental in getting Nature Conservancy to buy out the more 
> hostile
> ranchers.
> At the above web site, you can follow the links to see one of the 
> Preston
> ranchers giving us tales of the history of Preston NV and the old 
> water
> wars. He's an active supporter of our (and other) conservation 
> efforts. We
> all have fun, educating each other.
> Contrast the relative peace around the springs (nearly all on ranch 
> sites,
> of course) of the lower Nevada desert with what is happening up 
> around Elko
> vis-a-vis a southerly habitat of the Bull Trout. That one was 
> pursued with
> the other method, and after many years is *still* a running disaster 
> (almost
> a war), with the (probably unimportant) fish still virtually 
> unprotected.
> I guess if anyone wants to fight, that's their right. Just don't try 
> to
> convince many of us, who have been there and done that, it is doing 
> much
> good for the habitat.
> Active conservation is "where it's at," for me. 
> Wright
> -- 
> Wright Huntley, Fremont CA, USA, 510 494-8679  huntleyone at home 
> dot com
>                 There are two rules for success in life:
>              Rule 1: Don't tell people everything you know.
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Robert Rice
Save those Fishes,  Join the Native Fish Conservancy
Love those gartersnakes? visit