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Re: NFC: Breeders program needs some help
Well I think we will be makeing some changes to the BP. If any one out
there would lijke to take a leadership position in the BP please chime
in. Serious folks only need apply :)
Robert Rice
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On Wed, 26 Apr 2000 19:01:23 -0400 "Joshua L. Wiegert"
<Wiegerj at paul_paulsmiths.edu> writes:
> Gah.
> I had this all typed out, and ... WHAM computer reboots. :p
>
> I agree with you, Robert, that the program has some flaws and needs
> to
> be worked out.
> I, for instance, received shipments of Breeders Fish from both you
> and
> Klaus. You had sent me a bunch of flagfins, and later, Klaus sent
> me a
> great bunch of darters.
> I was supposed to breed them, however: I failed.
> The flagfins, unfortunately, all died. The darters, due to issues
> with
> tank space and such, as well as certain things getting in the way of
> finishing my darter tank (<cough> Fiancee <cough>) were left at
> home,
> while I'm here at school. They'll be coming with me to Maryland,
> though. :)
>
> Its hard to come right out and admit "I failed." THis is especially
> true for those of us grouped in the "supposidly reputable folks"
> category. However, my guess is there are a lot of other people out
> there who failed. We're working with living fish. Sometimes, they
> don't cooperate and, worse yet, sometimes they die. Its
> unavoidable,
> and there's absolutely nothing wrong with saying, "I failed."
>
> However, I do have a suggestion on the program. If we allow it to
> go as
> it goes now, it'll become a stress and strain on the people who are
> volunteering for it. That means that we'll lose these people, and
> eventually the program.
>
> 1: The receiver pays all shipping costs. Period. This includes
> costs
> of boxes, bags, etc.
> 2: When someone first receives fish, a "deposit" is required. This
> deposit is taken and invested in the NFC. Some of it can go to the
> collector or shipper as compensation. When/if the fish are bred and
> histories given, then the receiver can get up to 50% of the deposit
> back
> and/or other fish.
> 3: Limit the fish available to first timers. These can be fish
> that we
> know a little about, are easy to collect, and so forth, such as the
> flagfins. When they show -- outright show -- that they can breed
> these,
> they can move on and get the more interesting stuff. Obviously,
> having
> even first timers work on redundant species is not overly desirable,
> so
> the list would have to be ever expanding.
>
> These are just some thoughts I had on it.
> --
> end
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> robert a rice wrote:
> >
> > Hello all,
> >
> > Im a bit frustrated with the breeders program . Its two goals one
> being
> > financially self supporting and two to produce life histories are
> not
> > occurring. Its not the problem of the Bill Duzen and Charles
> Anderton
> > administrative team. The problem lies in our passing out of fishes
> . We
> > have passed out boxes and boxes of fishes to suppossedly highley
> > reputable folks like school teachers, youth leaders etc and we get
> > nothing . Many of them wont even answer emails back. Somehow the
> breeders
> > program has failed to attract people who are serious about
> breeding fish.
> > instead we are attracting people serious about getting free fish
> mainly
> > from me luke and Bill . i frankly am tired of it. See without
> breeders
> > reports and accoutability whats the point ? ANyhow if any list
> members
> > have some input on rules changes that have worked with the AKA or
> local
> > aquarium society to stop the free loading and start the breeding
> let us
> > know.
> >
> > PS. In case you think we just havent been passing out fish long
> enough
> > speaking for myself Ive sent out 50 plus boxes of fish in the last
> 18
> > months.Most of them at my expense. You figure out what the postage
> on 50
> > plus boxes is. To get 3-4 life histories is rather frustrating. I
> know
> > the others feel the same way.
> >
> > Enough listening to me complain now get back to fishing :)
> >
> > Robert Rice
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