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Re: [Re: NFC: Fish News]
I thought this issue was dead too. Notice I didn't respond to that note. I
hoped that you wouldn't be so fast in getting off a good list (this one) due
to a dropped issue. Yes the word and it's use was missed used here and the
person has himself made that point too(I believe). I'am not saying someone
else will not use a bad selection of words again on this list or any list,
but this list is one of the better that I belong to for information on what
it's subject is. But then again leaving a list is one of many freedoms that
we have. Sorry to see you leave over this. Again just my thoughts, I have
nothing to do with admin of this or any list. JiM C.
From: goodtimes at independence_net <goodtimes at independence_net>
To: nfc at actwin_com <nfc at actwin_com>; nfc at actwin_com <nfc at actwin_com>
Date: Thursday, February 17, 2000 3:29 AM
Subject: Re: [Re: NFC: Fish News]
Date sent: 9 Feb 00 20:37:30 EST
From: Scott Burner <windburn at netscape_net>
To: nfc at actwin_com, <nfc at actwin_com>
Subject: Re: [Re: NFC: Fish News]
Send reply to: nfc at actwin_com
i'm 54 and i find the lack of understanding of the difference between
disagreeing with people (and their tactics) and insulting people
because of their gender by a number of members of this listserve
i thought there was a post warning us all not to bring this up again.
at least it was sent to me.
well, please unsubscribe me from this group. i do not condone
selective warnings, nor general insensitivity on gender issues,
particularly from a group purportedly interested in enviromental
issues like native fish.
> Jim C.,
> I'm glad I share the earth with people like you
> "Jim Capelle" <JCapelle at tampabay_rr.com> wrote:
> Remember, what I'am about to say here are my thoughts not the list.
> You asked for some thoughts on the use of the word "Chick", well stand by.
> I personnel do not like or use the word "Chick" myself, but if you
> met a group of PETA protesters outside of a pet trade show, you too may or
> would not have the greatest feelings for them also. They or their
> spokespersons in the past have blasted the keeping of fish as pets, also
> any breeding programs for fish that are raised for food or wildlife
> restocking, even it means, that group of fish will be extinct without a
> breeding program. They have gone after sport fishing at times also. I
> believe the person using the word "Chick" was holding a lot back and
> should be commended for doing so. I'am from an older generation that
> still have a hard time trying to remember to be "PC" in our jokes and
> wording of statements. I'am sure there are some on this list a lot older
> then myself (@ 51) that are having an even harder time (if they even try
> to) adjusting and living in a more "PC" society, (yet it is only in very
> few countries in the world that anyone are aware of this PC stuff). And
> yes, I do have some female friends that use the word "Chicks" too. And
> some of their jokes may make your PC ears burn. But, isn't The Freedom
> of Speech, great? Yes if the person swore on the list or used foul lang.
> then you have a case, but not here with this one.
> When a person or group has a lifestyle or belief and they are trying
> force it on someone else or another group and is using gorilla tactics
> that boarder and sometimes cross the line on what is allowed within that
> society's laws ( getting arrested is alright for a good cause?????) then
> I don't care for them if they are also trying to effect my life or
> lifestyle, which PETA is doing. I am an Aquacultural student at night, if
> they had their way I would have to change my major to Organic Vegetarian
> farming. Sorry I like to eat some meat and fish.
> I think I should get off now so I don't get flamed for taking too much
> time being "PC" and using my Freedom Of Speech too much tonight. JiM C.
> Remember, what I said here are my thoughts not the list.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: goodtimes at independence_net <goodtimes at independence_net>
> To: nfc at actwin_com <nfc at actwin_com>; nfc at actwin_com <nfc at actwin_com>
> Cc: archimedes at master_localink4.com <archimedes at master_localink4.com>
> Date: Sunday, February 06, 2000 3:58 PM Subject: Re: NFC: Fish News
> From: "D. Martin Moore" <archimedes at master_localink4.com>
> To: nfc at actwin_com
> Date sent: Sun, 6 Feb 2000 14:50:01 -0600
> Subject: Re: NFC: Fish News
> Send reply to: nfc at actwin_com
> > Perhaps "bimbo" would have been more appropriate... IMO, PETA
> > types earn whatever disparaging appelation we deem appropriate.
> > > i find the term "chick" sexist in this context. if this an example of
> > > the fish news level of analysis, then i will drop this listserv
> > Prost,
> > Martin
> > ------
> > "Cry to it, nuncle. as the cockney did to the eels when she put
> > 'em i' the paste alive; she knapped 'em o' the coxcombs with a
> > stick, and cried 'Down wantons, down!'"
> perhaps in some circles such disparagement would be appropriate,
> but in a public listserv like this, i continue to find it inappropriate,
> at best.
> can others on this listserv let me know if this is SOP for this list?
> lack of respect for opponents seems an unfortunate public face to
> offer on the web.
> art goodtimes
> Art Goodtimes
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