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Re: [Live-foods] Live-Foods Digest, Vol 40, Issue 4
Does anyone have a reliable cource for mold inhibitor, propionic acid?
Kent C.
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Today's Topics:
1. Re: keeping flies out (ksimolo)
2. (no subject) (tomokoschum at knology_net)
3. Re: Live-Foods Digest, Vol 40, Issue 3 (REDRAGON40 at aol_com)
4. Re: fruit flies (REDRAGON40 at aol_com)
5. Re: fruit flies (REDRAGON40 at aol_com)
6. Re: Encyclopedia of Live Foods, more fruit flies, daphnia,
cockroach culture (Dan McMonigle)
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 12:45:53 -0400
From: ksimolo <ksimolo at frontiernet_net>
Subject: Re: [Live-foods] keeping flies out
To: <live-foods at actwin_com>
Better than the paper bag, what many people in the AKA are using is zippered
pillow cases.
Ken
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 14:11:49 -0400
From: "tomokoschum at knology_net" <tomokoschum at knology_net>
Subject: [Live-foods] (no subject)
To: Live foods for aquarium fish <live-foods at actwin_com>
Hi Ken,
Long time no hear. It's really good to hear from you.
That's a really good idea!
Tomoko
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 15:26:56 EDT
From: REDRAGON40 at aol_com
Subject: Re: [Live-foods] Live-Foods Digest, Vol 40, Issue 3
To: live-foods at actwin_com
Dan writes:
You might opt for better flies. Different strains grow faster. In my
experience wild (winged) fruit flies reproduce so quickly that the medium
is
consumed before any mold can start, and plain instant potato flake is all
you need .
I set the winged flies in the refrigerator to knock them out, but as soon
as
warm air reaches them, they revive, so you have to be quick and get them
soaked before they can fly away. If winged flies are not for you, try
several
different wingless or flightless strains until you find one or two that
work
best.
A friend of mine uses regular wild flies, traps them in a bag and freezes
them. She says it works very well. I will try the potato flakes with my
flightless flies. Perhaps microwaving the flakes and using boiled
distilled water
would help with the mold problem.
Carol < ' )))><
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 15:32:17 EDT
From: REDRAGON40 at aol_com
Subject: Re: [Live-foods] fruit flies
To: live-foods at actwin_com
Bill writes:
The simplest medium is mashed, ripe bananas with a little yeast added.
Some
gelatin will stiffen the culture and make it easier to extract the flies.
Others have used mashed fruit, corn meal, and bread as media, each with
yeast added. The deeper the culture, the more flies will be produced.
Thanks. I used banana in college. I was hoping to get a recipe for a mix
similar to the commercial mix, so I could store it dry and just mix in
distilled water to make batches as needed.
If you can find a copy of Masters' "Encyclopedia of Live Foods" it will
answer just about any question that you have of most live foods, including
the culture of cockroaches!
I found a copy. It is a really great reference. Thanks
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 15:41:22 EDT
From: REDRAGON40 at aol_com
Subject: Re: [Live-foods] fruit flies
To: live-foods at actwin_com
Dave writes:
Long ago, about 15BC (Before (personal) Computers), I gave away
wingless starters and culture directions. Here is what I recall of
the process:
Medium: Boil cornmeal, oatmeal in water , let cool, add agar to
stiffen (optional), when body temp add propionic acid (mold
inhibitor, stir well), orange juice (optional), then baker's yeast
and a multivitamin tablet (pre-ground up).
Thanks for your detailed instructions. Unfortunately, I am so used to the
convenience of the commercial culture medium, I don't want to get involved
in
cooking up medium when I need it. It is so much more convenient just to
pour
out the commercial stuff, add water and voila! I was hoping to find a
recipe for something like the commercial stuff, so I could store it dry and
just
mix it when I needed it. I'm lazy, so I guess I'll just have to continue
buying the premixed stuff.
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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 14:32:13 -0700 (PDT)
From: Dan McMonigle <daphnia at sbcglobal_net>
Subject: Re: [Live-foods] Encyclopedia of Live Foods, more fruit
flies, daphnia, cockroach culture
To: live-foods at actwin_com
The Encyclopedia of Live Foods is ordinarily hard to come by or unavailable,
but there were over half a dozen copies available just now on amazon.com,
three of them for about $60, much less than what I ordinarily see them
for.....there or anywhere.
The daphnia and cockroach culture sections of this book are outdated but
most of it is right on. Much better daphnia culture instructions are in an
article by Jim Langhammer, retired curator of Belle Isle Aquarium.
Culturing non-pest roaches that cannot survive inside a house unless you
follow them around with a misting bottle are better choices than in E. o. L.
F. For great information about culturing feeder roaches,and pet roach
species too, try this source. Bidabug.org
http://www.bidabug.org/Forum/index.php? Signing up may get you a connection
to some neat live foods, not all of them roaches.Some co-culture orange
isopods, dwarf white isopods, and black morph "gray" crickets with some of
them.
Another use for fruit flies is to feed them as maggots. They are really
more useful to more fish in this form since not all fish like to feed at the
surface, and some have difficulty biting a piece off a fly but the maggots
are soft enough that very small fry can eat them. Make the culture with only
soluble ingredients, such as instant potato flakes. When a culture has lot
of maggots, dump the adults into a new culture and put the maggot culture
into a container of water large enough to dissolve the medium. Use a fish
net to collect the maggots, and hand pick out any lumps of instant potato
that have dried out too much to dissolve easily. The only drawback is it
gets you a little more intimately involved in the life cycle of a fly than
when feeding the adults. Since they are so prolific and use up nearly all
the medium, winged fruit flies are a good choice for this.
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