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Jim Robinson <jimr at vrx_net>

Hi there Gentlemen, eh;
    Altums have been bred in captivity since Jan. 10, 1992. That was the
first time
I did it. It has not been a secret here in Canada and I have not hesitated
to tell
anyone wishing to know how to do this. There should really be no secrets about
spawning any fish in this hobby. It the fish, folks, not the money.
    TTFN, eh
    Jim

Loh Kwek Leong wrote:

> AUS62 at aol_com wrote:
> >
> > I must apologize to the killie list, but am flabbergasted to hear this
>species
> > of angelfish is being bred, Mr. Leong. To the best of my knowledge it has
> > never been documented carefully and nothing has been reported in the
> > literature about technique. Please give some details - perhaps directly
>to me
> > rather than the killie list. Good luck with your Altum Angelfish Thanks.
> >
> >                                            Yours,   Harry Specht,
>
> Hi, Mr Specht,
>
> I noticed that your email was sent only to me.  Since you apologised to
> the killie list, I suppose you actually wanted your email to appear
> there.  Well, I'm sending my reply to the list so that others can see it
> too.  Although I'm new here and although I know this list is just for
> Killiefish, I believe most of the subscribers here wouldn't mind reading
> about other types of fish every now and then as long as it's not done
> too often.  A fish lover is a fish lover, be it Killiefish or Altum
> Angels.  But if I'm wrong about this, please let me know and this will
> be the last time I talk about anything other than Killiefish on this
> list.
>
> Okay, about Altums being bred in captivity, I have heard from more than
> one fish importer in Singapore that this is true.  But what I have also
> heard is that those Altums bred in Taiwan are nowhere near the quality
> of those caught in the wild.  How are they different?  Sorry, I really
> wouldn't know because I've yet to see one that's not from the wild.
>
> About why the breeding technique was not documented, I believe this is
> something that marks the difference between fish breeders in the east
> and west.  Here in the east, if anyone succeeds in breeding a fish that
> has never been bred in capitivity before, you can be quite sure the guy
> will keep it a closely guarded secret.  Last thing he would want to do
> is document the breeding technique for his competitors to read.  A big
> bundle of money can be made if you are the first person to successfully
> breed Altums, you know.
>
> I was at a Discus show last week and someone here has also successfully
> bred an all-red Discus.  In case there's any doubt in your mind, let me
> assure you they were really all red in colour.  No vertical stripes, no
> markings, just a plain red colour that was as red as blood.
> Incredible!!  To think that just a few years ago, people thought that an
> all-blue Discus was impossible.  The red Discus which also won first
> prize in the show was going for S$14,000 each (that would be about
> US$9,000).  You see what I mean about making big money.
>
> The only 2 things I can tell you about breeding Altums is what I heard
> from rumours among fish importers here.  The Taiwanese use very large
> and very deep tanks.  Also, the parents have to be at least 5 years
> old.  That's all I know, sorry I can't be of more help.
>
> By the way, Loh is my surname.  If you like to be formal, please address
> me as Mr Loh.  But please call me Kwek Leong or KL for short.
>
> Loh K L