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RE: Re: Crossbreading? -Reply
I respectfully disagree.
If a person wants to try their hand at Crossbreeding it is their "RIGHT" to
do it. It becomes a problem only when the resulting fish are represented as
being something that they are NOT. That is NOT ethical. Crossbreading and
selective breeding of fish and animals plants has been going on for hundreds
if not thousands of years. For example Bettas, Koi, goldfish, dogs, wolves,
flowers, grains, tomatoes, cats etc. etc......ad infinitum.
As breeders of fish we must be willing to cull poor specimens and most of
all DO NOT return them to the wild (fish for example).
For example in your message you mention platys and live bearers with long
fins....( think of Guppies or Swordtails/Platys here).
If I want to try and crossbreed anything it is my "right" to try it. And
saying that I take my role as Judge, Jury, and Executioner VERY seriously!
I must say here IF I am successful in my crossbreeding of anything be it
plant, animal, whatever, I will not falsely represent it in any way. I also
am an AKA member and DO abide by the guidelines set forth by the AKA. I
abide by these guidelines BECAUSE I want to and for no other reason.
I do agree completely with your last paragraph. Very well stated.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jochem.tHoen at 98_student.wau.nl [SMTP:Jochem.tHoen at 98_student.wau.nl]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 1998 7:03 AM
> To: killietalk at aka_org
> Subject: re: Re: Crossbreading? -Reply
> Hello everybody,
> I am new on this list, and starting with killies in about three months. I
> have eight years of experience with other fish, mainly southamerican
> dwarve-cichids and little middle-american fish. I just saw this discussion
> about crossreeding, and I don't know how long it hs been going on, but I
> like to say something about this topic as well, because these things
> me very much. I don't know wether the things I am to say have been said
> before, but I think it is so important I'll sayit anyway.
> Why would anybody in the world wan to crossbread any fish (or
> Evolution or God (whatever suits you) created this world in millions of
> so that all the species that are on it can live under the circumstances
> are best adapted to. What is a human being to think, that he knows it all
> better then evolution or god, and starts to crossbread (or "create" by
> selective breeding) someTHING that he or she likes better. These products
> often infertile and badly adapted to the natural surroundings of related
> I mean when you want to keep a red fish, don't mess up a platy, keep
> Hyphessobrycon robertsi, or paracheirodon innessii
> when you want to see long fins, dont mess up a fish that comes into your
> posession, but just keep Poecilia velifera or some
> What I mean to say is that next to the fact that it may be unethical to
> a fish, there is no need for it. There are thousands of different species
> fish, and there is always one of them you will like. When you don't like
> of them I believe you are no fishlover, and you ought to take up other
> you do like.
> There are people that say they only crossbreed to see if fish are related,
> you don't need to do that, when you know what species you have, you also
> how it is related to other species. There are enough books in which you
> read which families fall under what order. When you get a new species and
> to determine it, you can always go to a university where they can run DNA
> tests. besides that, you can also disect one and count what ever you want
> determine the species.
> These ar probably most of the reasons(inshort), why I think it is
> unethical to
> crossbreed any species. There are always people who will crossbread, and
> promise they won't bother other PEOPLE by letting them go around or
> In the first place I think it's not about the people, but the FISH that
> not be bothered. Cerossbreeding can only make a fish feel worse never
> Besides that, what do you do with your crossbread fry when you promised
> not to
> sell them? Just kill them when there are too many? I believe that isn't
> humane too. Killing animals, because you wanted to see what a crossbread
> looks like.
> i say we should all try to participate in breeding programs to preserve
> that are getting extinct. I believe that is a much better way to spend
> time. We destroyed enough already on this planet, it's time we take up our
> responsibilities and tried to build something up again.
> friendly greetings,
> Hartelijke groeten van Jochem 't Hoen
> jochem.thoen at 98_student.wau.nl
> jochem at fgbbs_iaf.nl
> no guts, no glory!
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