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Re: Seattle Film Works
Bill;
I use Clark Color Labs. They will process any film (including S.F.W.)
and put it on disc at a very reasonable price. A 24 exposure roll with
single prints, negatives AND photo disc, plus S/H, runs under $10. Much less
than Seattle Film Works. The quality is unbelievable. I find their colors
to be more vibrant, colorful and true to life than any other processor that
I've used so far. If you would like, feel free to contact me at
phishhed at acadiacom_net and I'll be glad to provide you with an address or
other info. They have processing plants all over the U.S. S.W.F. film uses
a special processing so many developers can't handle this film. Clark will
process the S.W.F. film as well as Signature, Dale and any of the other
"special" free films (I think I've tried almost all of them !) I personally
think that Clark develops them better that the company distributing the
film.
WARREN
a.k.a. Phishhed <*(((>{
ICQ#11777434
AOL-Inst.Msgr. screen name: welaka
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From: KillieTalk Digest <Owner-KillieTalk at AKA_Org>
To: Owner-KillieTalk at AKA_Org <Owner-KillieTalk at AKA_Org>
Date: Tuesday, July 28, 1998 9:23 PM
Subject: KillieTalk Digest V2 #308
>
>KillieTalk Digest Tuesday, July 28 1998 Volume 02 : Number
308
>
>
>
>In this issue:
>
> Seattle Film Works
> convention auction
> Re: Seattle Film Works
> Re: Seattle Film Works
> Fish&eggs list on the web
> Large tank and Killies?
> Re: convention auction
> Re: KillieTalk Digest V2 #306
> Re Where do all the fish go
> Re: convention auction
> Re: Re Where do all the fish go
> Re: Large tank and Killies?
> Re: I-net BNL soapbox - again SPAM
>
>See the end of the digest for information on unsubscribing from the
>KillieTalk mailing list and on how to retrieve back issues.
>
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>
>Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 14:34:23 -0500
>From: William Vannerson <William_Vannerson at ama-assn_org>
>Subject: Seattle Film Works
>
>I don't recall if the Seattle Film Works is a topic that's been discussed
>recently. I just received 2 rolls of "free" film. Of course the catch is
that
>you have to have them process the film. They've been around awhile
>and I've seen there offer before. But this time there's a new twist that
>caught my attention.
>
>You can have them scan the photos and provide them to you on disk (or
>download from their web site). This service costs a few extra dollars
>above their normal development fees. (20 Exp. $8.50 for 3x5 prints,
>$11.95 extra for slides, $3.95 extra for diskettes)
>
>Has anyone used this service and is the quality of the scans decent (for
>fish photos)?
>
>Bill Vannerson
>http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/william_vannerson
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 16:05:27 -0500
>From: mek at sco_com
>Subject: convention auction
>
>I'll throw this out for discussion. Sponsoring an AKA convention
>is a risky proposition for the hosting club; AKA gets the bulk
>(if not all) of the auction proceeds, so the local club has to pay
>for the hotel use via registrations, T-shirts, local promotions (rare
>fish raffles, or the recent rare fish auction), and a split from
>the fish sale room.
>
>Given that AKA is currently flush with $$, how about changing the rules
>so the fish auction is a 50/25/25 split with the local club/breeder/aka?
>Knowing what to anticipate as auction proceeds (can probably just average
>out the last few years worth of auction proceeds) would make it much
>easier to understand whether the club can expect to earn any $$ from
>hosting the convention. Giving the breeder something will certainly help
>encourage entries.
>
>Matt
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 17:06:26 EDT
>From: LeeH920226 at aol_com
>Subject: Re: Seattle Film Works
>
>I use it all the time. It is actually a pretty good deal because you always
>get free film. It is the cheapest way to get just slides, but the digital
>versions and the prints are worthwhile too. I have had only one complaint -
>they scan the slides to make the digitized version and they sometimes crop
off
>critical portions - like my new grandson last year. No big deal because I
>could scan it myself from the print. The ability to download the digital
>images ahead of time is pretty convenient. Also, they keep sending more
free
>film, more than a one for one replacement for what you've used. There is
about
>a 10-12 day turn around even with Priority mail return.
> Bottom line - I use it all the time, until I get a digital camera at
least.
>
>Lee Harper
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Tue, 28 Jul 98 17:14:00 -0500
>From: Dale Deck <deck at ptcnet_net>
>Subject: Re: Seattle Film Works
>
>They most of inporved there act then. I used them a couple of times and
>was very dissapointed withh the results. The digital version was
>completely
>unusable. I will have to give them a try again. They use to have
>a service where you could get your digitals via email.
>
>WD0FNU
>Dale Deck
>icq #16183097
>http://www.netins.net/showcase/killies/
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 17:38:47 -0500
>From: "Kudzu" <Kudzu at airnet_net>
>Subject: Fish&eggs list on the web
>
>>>I'm not picking on Ted. In fact I think it's marvelous the way the
>Internet
>can be used to support the hobby. And if he moves a couple tank loads
>of Cyn magnificus to other killie nuts, that's great!<<
>
>OK I have been reading this list for a while and posted some. I too
>can not let this slide by with out a comment. First off I am not a
>member of the AKA. Lets get that out of the way.
>
>Why not have fish and eggs posted here? Or on a separate list, or
>whatever and allow non-members to have access? This would be a good
>way to get folks interested in Killies and then once they get involved
>then they would probably want to join the AKA. I have never joined
>because I have not gotten interested enough in Killies. Part of that
>is because I have not found any fish. While I have not looked hard I
>admit but finding fish is not as easy as it appears. I did get some
>Flagfish from a pet store to eat Hair algae in one of my tanks. I love
>these guys! This is the first step to getting someone interested in
>Killies.
>
>I personally think the AKA is missing a great opportunity to promote
>itself and get new blood in the hobby. Why limit yourself?
>
>A potential members 2 cents.
>
>Jeff <*\\><
>"Consider carefully what you hear", he continued "With the measure you
>use it, it will be measured to you -- and even more. Whoever has will
>be given more; whoever does not have, even what he has will be taken
>from him." Mark 4:24,25
>www.airnet.net/kudzu/ "Kudzu's Christian Clipart Collection"
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 17:43:38 -0500
>From: "Kudzu" <Kudzu at airnet_net>
>Subject: Large tank and Killies?
>
>I will be building a new house in the near future and wife and I want
>to build a LARGE tank to use as a room divider. Something in the 8'
>long range. 250 gallons I guess.
>
>I know that killies are kept generally in small tanks, but is there
>some that would be suitable for such a large tank? Maybe several that
>would not cross breed and could be a self-sustaining colony(ies)?
>
>Thinking of having one end of the tank with a gravel bottom with
>current from the pump and ending in a heavy planted end like a calm
>pool. Any ideas?
>
>Just thinking ahead.
>
>Jeff <*\\><
>"Consider carefully what you hear", he continued "With the measure you
>use it, it will be measured to you -- and even more. Whoever has will
>be given more; whoever does not have, even what he has will be taken
>from him." Mark 4:24,25
>www.airnet.net/kudzu/ "Kudzu's Christian Clipart Collection"
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 20:26:13 -0500
>From: George Slusarczuk <yurko at warwick_net>
>Subject: Re: convention auction
>
>Hello Matt,
>
>If I remember correctly, whenever MAKA hosted an AKA Convention, it
>always made money! I don't know about the other clubs.
>
>That does not mean that splitting rules cannot be changed.
>
>Best,
>
>George S
>
>
>mek at sco_com wrote:
>>
>> I'll throw this out for discussion. Sponsoring an AKA convention
>> is a risky proposition for the hosting club; AKA gets the bulk
>> (if not all) of the auction proceeds, so the local club has to pay
>> for the hotel use via registrations, T-shirts, local promotions (rare
>> fish raffles, or the recent rare fish auction), and a split from
>> the fish sale room.
>>
>> Given that AKA is currently flush with $$, how about changing the rules
>> so the fish auction is a 50/25/25 split with the local club/breeder/aka?
>> Knowing what to anticipate as auction proceeds (can probably just average
>> out the last few years worth of auction proceeds) would make it much
>> easier to understand whether the club can expect to earn any $$ from
>> hosting the convention. Giving the breeder something will certainly help
>> encourage entries.
>>
>> Matt
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 20:37:50 -0500
>From: mfjacobs <mfjacobs at geocities_com>
>Subject: Re: KillieTalk Digest V2 #306
>
>Brian.......you spoke of "N. (Aphyobranchius) sp. Ifakara TAN 95/4"...it
>is of some interest, to me anyway, that at the last meeting of the
>SunCoast Killie Socitey in St Pete-Sarasota-Tampa, Fl....Ian Sainthouse
>was there and gave a 2+ hour program of his collecting and then we
>auctioned off some of his bags of eggs. I ended up with two of those
>bags:
>
>1) N. sp. Ifakara TAN 95/4......(what does Aphyobranchius have to do
>with anything?)
>
>2) N. sp. Tangawizi Tan 98/7
>
>His comment on the Ifakara was....small.....smaller than small! Do you
>agree? I'm not trying to elicite an argument here but how small is he
>really talking here? I've had pretty good luck with N. rachovii
>fry.....would you say the Ifakara were smaller than N. rachovii?
>
>How about the Tangawizi Tan 98/7......same problem with them or are they
>"normal" sized Northos? One more question on the Tangawizi....this is
>the comment on the sticker on the bag......
>
>"collected 27 June - check weekly from end July"..........again, without
>trying to cause differences of opinion. When I questioned him about
>this he said that these eggs were from wild fish, and that wild fish dry
>time varies tremendously and that I should start to look for "eyed" eggs
>at 4-5 weeks. Man oh man that seems quick. Is this the general rule
>with those wild fish you guys catch?? I am really nervouse about these
>two bags of fish. I almost wish someone would send some fish in
>exchange for these bags.........I don't want to goof this thing up!!
>
>Do you recall coloration on the two fish mentioned?
>
>How long does it take a N. sp. "xyxyxyxyxy" to become named? Is it just
>up to someones whim as to whether or not they choose to work with that
>fish? If no one chooses then it would just sit forever as N.
>sp."xyxyxy".
>
>Mike
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 01:38:37 +0100
>From: "John De Luca" <John at johndeluca_force9.co.uk>
>Subject: Re Where do all the fish go
>
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>I response to Ted Klotz statement on disposing of young fish
>that he has, he mentions C. Magnificus. I agree with his point
>about trying to sell them for a fair price, or nobody seems
>interested?
>When C. Magnificus first came up for sale within the B.K.A.
>they were fetching around =A325 a pair, by the next year, they
>were only fetching =A31 per pair.
>This seems to be a pattern when you are rearing young Killies,
>when they are ready for selling, you tend to flood the auction,
>and prices will drop and sometimes you can't give them away!
>My answer to this is, only auction small amounts at one time,
>but this doe's not solve the problem for us who still have tanks
>full of them in our fish houses/rooms, what do we do with them?
>One of my Killie friends sells his excess to local fish shops,=20
>personally I would never do this, my reasons for this are, why
>should we pay a membership to support a specialist organisation,
>to let others who are not willing to join reap the benefits, another=20
>reason is, some inexperienced people buying these fish haven't a
>clue how to look after them let alone breed them.
>I reckon now that I have stirred up a hornets nest because of this
>statement, but I feel very strongly about this subject, because I
>realise not all aquarists are indifferent towards their fish, but some
>are and I would not like to think of the fish I have taken so much
>care over being mistreated in any way. My views are that fish are
>for breeding, thus ensuring their survival, man is ruining their
>natural habitat, in most cases leading to their extintion, so it's
>only by the dedication of the relevant organisations and their
>membership, that these fish will survive.
>I am sorry if this statement causes any offence, but I am
>certain all caring specialist fishkeepers would agree with me.
>John.
>
>=20
>
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><DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>about trying to sell them for a fair =
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><DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>When C. Magnificus first came up for =
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><DIV><FONT size=3D2>they were fetching around £25 a pair, by the =
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><DIV><FONT size=3D2>were only fetching £1 per pair.</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT size=3D2>This seems to be a pattern when you are rearing =
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><DIV><FONT size=3D2>when they are ready for selling, you tend to flood =
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><DIV><FONT size=3D2>and prices will drop and sometimes you can't give =
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><DIV><FONT size=3D2>My answer to this is, only auction small amounts at =
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><DIV><FONT size=3D2>but this doe's not solve the problem for us who =
>still have=20
>tanks</FONT> </DIV>
><DIV><FONT size=3D2>full of them in our fish houses/rooms, what do we do =
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><DIV><FONT size=3D2>One of my Killie friends sells his excess to local =
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><DIV><FONT size=3D2>personally I would never do this, my reasons for =
>this are,=20
>why</FONT> </DIV>
><DIV><FONT size=3D2>should we pay a membership to support a specialist=20
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><DIV><FONT size=3D2>to let others who are not willing to join reap the =
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>another </FONT> </DIV>
><DIV><FONT size=3D2>reason is, some inexperienced people buying these =
>fish haven't=20
>a</FONT> </DIV>
><DIV><FONT size=3D2>clue how to look after them let alone breed=20
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><DIV><FONT size=3D2>I reckon now that I have stirred up a hornets nest =
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><DIV><FONT size=3D2>statement, but I feel very strongly about this =
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><DIV><FONT size=3D2>realise not all aquarists are indifferent towards =
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><DIV><FONT size=3D2>are and I would not like to think of the fish I have =
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><DIV><FONT size=3D2>care over being mistreated in any way. My views are =
>that fish=20
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><DIV><FONT size=3D2>for breeding, thus ensuring their survival, man is =
>ruining=20
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><DIV><FONT size=3D2>natural habitat, in most cases leading to their =
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><DIV><FONT size=3D2>I am sorry if this statement causes any offence, but =
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><DIV><FONT size=3D2>certain all caring specialist fishkeepers would =
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>Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 21:04:29 -0400
>From: "tpklotz" <tpklotz at borg_com>
>Subject: Re: convention auction
>
>Matt & George,
>IMHO it would take an act of Congress. We( UNYKA) discussed this very
>subject a few weeks ago. I may be opening my BIG mouth and talking
>about"Good Ole Boy " stuff here. We all felt the same. Consider that a
local
>club is not guaranteed any proceeds at all. In fact most clubs have to pay
>back up front money, which is used just to get the ball rolling. In
>principal this isn't right. If the club has to help the group (whomever)
get
>a start this should maybe come back to the AKA from the proceeds. In other
>words the AKA should eat this loss as an investment in the future of the
>AKA. More clubs would respond to the xchallenge of hosting a convention.
I'm
>now going to apologize to the west coast but this is part of the reason why
>you haven't seen a convention on the west coast. Why , because they almost
>always lose money for the AKA.
>
>While I'm on my soapbox , let me say that these statements are only my
>opinion and not the AKA'S. I have been involved in the politics for a
little
>while now and fully intend to stay involved. I have finally managed to
>coerce Lee Harper to run again for the board also. We both want change !!!
>So do alot of others. the only way to make these changes real is to become
>involved. So here hopefully we will both be again.
>
>Political statement over!
>
>Ted Klotz
>9969 Bethel Rd
>Remsen,NY 13438
>(315) 831-5682
>- -----Original Message-----
>From: George Slusarczuk <yurko at warwick_net>
>To: killietalk at aka_org <killietalk at aka_org>
>Date: Tuesday, July 28, 1998 8:25 PM
>Subject: Re: convention auction
>
>
>>Hello Matt,
>>
>>If I remember correctly, whenever MAKA hosted an AKA Convention, it
>>always made money! I don't know about the other clubs.
>>
>>That does not mean that splitting rules cannot be changed.
>>
>>Best,
>>
>>George S
>>
>>
>>mek at sco_com wrote:
>>>
>>> I'll throw this out for discussion. Sponsoring an AKA convention
>>> is a risky proposition for the hosting club; AKA gets the bulk
>>> (if not all) of the auction proceeds, so the local club has to pay
>>> for the hotel use via registrations, T-shirts, local promotions (rare
>>> fish raffles, or the recent rare fish auction), and a split from
>>> the fish sale room.
>>>
>>> Given that AKA is currently flush with $$, how about changing the rules
>>> so the fish auction is a 50/25/25 split with the local club/breeder/aka?
>>> Knowing what to anticipate as auction proceeds (can probably just
average
>>> out the last few years worth of auction proceeds) would make it much
>>> easier to understand whether the club can expect to earn any $$ from
>>> hosting the convention. Giving the breeder something will certainly help
>>> encourage entries.
>>>
>>> Matt
>>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 21:19:11 -0400
>From: "tpklotz" <tpklotz at borg_com>
>Subject: Re: Re Where do all the fish go
>
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>- -----Original Message-----
> From: John De Luca <John at johndeluca_force9.co.uk>
> To: A.K.A. <killietalk at aka_org>
> Date: Tuesday, July 28, 1998 8:40 PM
> Subject: Re Where do all the fish go
> =20
> =20
> I response to Ted Klotz statement on disposing of young fish
> that he has, he mentions C. Magnificus. I agree with his point
> about trying to sell them for a fair price, or nobody seems
> interested?
> When C. Magnificus first came up for sale within the B.K.A.
> they were fetching around =A325 a pair, by the next year, they
> were only fetching =A31 per pair.
> =20
> Poimt well taken, but now they are starting to get rare again.
> =20
> This seems to be a pattern when you are rearing young Killies,
> when they are ready for selling, you tend to flood the auction,
> and prices will drop and sometimes you can't give them away!=20
> My answer to this is, only auction small amounts at one time,=20
> =20
> Sorry, have to break in here. Small amounts do not help with species =
>maintenance. Many times the object of programs such as these is to get =
>the species as widely dispersed as possible. Limiting the amount =
>dispersed would only hurt the final goal. Please understand I am not =
>disagreeing with you but I am if this statement makes sense.
> =20
> but this doe's not solve the problem for us who still have tanks=20
> full of them in our fish houses/rooms, what do we do with them?
> =20
> I'll tell you what happens in my fish room once in a while. I get =
>too many of a certain species and become very haphazard in their care =
>and soon lose the species altogether because a tankfull of them has =
>crashed or someting along that line.
> =20
> One of my Killie friends sells his excess to local fish shops,=20
> personally I would never do this, my reasons for this are, why=20
> should we pay a membership to support a specialist organisation,=20
> to let others who are not willing to join reap the benefits, another =
>=20
> reason is, some inexperienced people buying these fish haven't a=20
> clue how to look after them let alone breed them.=20
> =20
> I agree with you 100% here.
> =20
> I reckon now that I have stirred up a hornets nest because of this=20
> statement, but I feel very strongly about this subject, because I=20
> realise not all aquarists are indifferent towards their fish, but =
>some=20
> are and I would not like to think of the fish I have taken so much=20
> care over being mistreated in any way. My views are that fish are=20
> for breeding, thus ensuring their survival, man is ruining their=20
> natural habitat, in most cases leading to their extintion, so it's=20
> only by the dedication of the relevant organisations and their
> membership, that these fish will survive.=20
> =20
> I couldn't agree more.
> =20
> =20
> Ted Klotz
> 9969 Bethel Rd
> Remsen,NY 13438
> (315) 831-5682John.=20
> =20
> =20
> =20
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> </B>Tuesday, July 28, 1998 8:40 PM<BR><B>Subject: </B>Re Where do =
>all the=20
> fish go<BR><BR></DIV></FONT>
> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>I response to Ted Klotz =
>statement on=20
> disposing of young fish</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>that he has, he mentions C. =
>Magnificus. I=20
> agree with his point</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>about trying to sell them for a =
>fair price,=20
> or nobody seems</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>interested?</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>When C. Magnificus first came up =
>for sale=20
> within the B.K.A.</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT size=3D2>they were fetching around £25 a pair, by =
>the next=20
> year, they</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT size=3D2>were only fetching £1 per =
>pair.</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> <DIV><FONT size=3D2>Poimt well taken, but now they are starting to =
>get rare=20
> again.</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> <DIV><FONT size=3D2>This seems to be a pattern when you are rearing =
>young=20
> Killies,</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT size=3D2>when they are ready for selling, you tend to =
>flood the=20
> auction,</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT size=3D2>and prices will drop and sometimes you can't =
>give them=20
> away!</FONT> </DIV>
> <DIV><FONT size=3D2>My answer to this is, only auction small amounts =
>at one=20
> time,</FONT> </DIV>
> <DIV> </DIV>
> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>Sorry, have to break in here. =
>Small amounts=20
> do not help with species maintenance. Many times the object of =
>programs such=20
> as these is to get the species as widely dispersed as possible. =
>Limiting the=20
> amount dispersed would only hurt the final goal. Please understand I =
>am not=20
> disagreeing with you but I am if this statement makes =
>sense.</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV> </DIV>
> <DIV><FONT size=3D2>but this doe's not solve the problem for us who =
>still have=20
> tanks</FONT> </DIV>
> <DIV><FONT size=3D2>full of them in our fish houses/rooms, what do =
>we do with=20
> them?</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> <DIV><FONT size=3D2> I'll tell you what happens in my fish room =
>once in a=20
> while. I get too many of a certain species and become very haphazard =
>in=20
> their care and soon lose the species altogether because a tankfull =
>of them=20
> has crashed or someting along that line.</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> <DIV><FONT size=3D2>One of my Killie friends sells his excess to =
>local fish=20
> shops, </FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT size=3D2>personally I would never do this, my reasons for =
>this are,=20
> why</FONT> </DIV>
> <DIV><FONT size=3D2>should we pay a membership to support a =
>specialist=20
> organisation,</FONT> </DIV>
> <DIV><FONT size=3D2>to let others who are not willing to join reap =
>the=20
> benefits, another </FONT> </DIV>
> <DIV><FONT size=3D2>reason is, some inexperienced people buying =
>these fish=20
> haven't a</FONT> </DIV>
> <DIV><FONT size=3D2>clue how to look after them let alone breed=20
> them.</FONT> </DIV>
> <DIV> </DIV>
> <DIV>I agree with you 100% here.</DIV>
> <DIV> </DIV>
> <DIV><FONT size=3D2>I reckon now that I have stirred up a hornets =
>nest because=20
> of this</FONT> </DIV>
> <DIV><FONT size=3D2>statement, but I feel very strongly about this =
>subject,=20
> because I</FONT> </DIV>
> <DIV><FONT size=3D2>realise not all aquarists are indifferent =
>towards their=20
> fish, but some</FONT> </DIV>
> <DIV><FONT size=3D2>are and I would not like to think of the fish I =
>have taken=20
> so much</FONT> </DIV>
> <DIV><FONT size=3D2>care over being mistreated in any way. My views =
>are that=20
> fish are</FONT> </DIV>
> <DIV><FONT size=3D2>for breeding, thus ensuring their survival, man =
>is ruining=20
> their</FONT> </DIV>
> <DIV><FONT size=3D2>natural habitat, in most cases leading to their =
>extintion,=20
> so it's</FONT> </DIV>
> <DIV><FONT size=3D2>only by the dedication of the relevant =
>organisations and=20
> their</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT size=3D2>membership, that these fish will=20
> survive.</FONT> </DIV>
> <DIV> </DIV>
> <DIV> <FONT size=3D2>I couldn't agree more.</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> <DIV></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT size=3D2><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>Ted Klotz<BR>9969 =
>Bethel=20
> Rd<BR>Remsen,NY 13438<BR>(315) =
>831-5682</FONT>John.</FONT> </DIV>
> <DIV> </DIV>
> <DIV><FONT size=3D2> </FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
>
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>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 21:32:55 -0400
>From: "tpklotz" <tpklotz at borg_com>
>Subject: Re: Large tank and Killies?
>
>- -----Original Message-----
>From: Kudzu <Kudzu at airnet_net>
>To: KillieTalk at aka_org <KillieTalk at aka_org>
>Date: Tuesday, July 28, 1998 6:45 PM
>Subject: Large tank and Killies?
>
>
>>I will be building a new house in the near future and wife and I want
>>to build a LARGE tank to use as a room divider. Something in the 8'
>>long range. 250 gallons I guess.
>>
>>I know that killies are kept generally in small tanks, but is there
>>some that would be suitable for such a large tank? Maybe several that
>>would not cross breed and could be a self-sustaining colony(ies)?
>>
>>Thinking of having one end of the tank with a gravel bottom with
>>current from the pump and ending in a heavy planted end like a calm
>>pool. Any ideas?
>>
>>Just thinking ahead.
>>
>>Jeff <*\\><
>>"Consider carefully what you hear", he continued "With the measure you
>>use it, it will be measured to you -- and even more. Whoever has will
>>be given more; whoever does not have, even what he has will be taken
>>from him." Mark 4:24,25
>
>Jeff,
>You might consider a group of lampeyes in such an elongated tank. They
would
>school and be quite impressive.
>
>
>Ted Klotz
>9969 Bethel Rd
>Remsen,NY 13438
>(315) 831-5682
>>www.airnet.net/kudzu/ "Kudzu's Christian Clipart Collection"
>>
>>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 22:08:05 -0400
>From: "tpklotz" <tpklotz at borg_com>
>Subject: Re: I-net BNL soapbox - again SPAM
>
>William,
>Please see below.
>
>- -----Original Message-----
>From: William Vannerson <William_Vannerson at ama-assn_org>
>To: killietalk at aka_org <killietalk at aka_org>
>Date: Tuesday, July 28, 1998 9:24 AM
>Subject: I-net BNL soapbox - again SPAM
>
>
>>Re: Where'd all the fish go? -Reply -Reply
>>
>>>>Ted K. wrote<<
>>>>I recently have been fortunate enough to hatch out a lot of Cyn
>>magnificus,... I'm offering them in the BNL(August) for $7.00 a pair. I'm
>>willing to bet I don't get very many orders.<<
>>
>>>>Bill S. replied<<
>>>>Can you hold 3 pair of them for me, and let me know method of
>>payment and shipping charges ect...?<<
>>
>>I know. I know. There goes Vannerson again. Spouting off about an
>>electronic version of the BNL ...AGAIN. If you don't want hear all of
this
>>again, please use your delete button now.
>>
>>..On Soapbox...
>>
>>I just can't resist with this thread being an excellent case in point
where
>>an electronic BNL be demanded by all AKA members, especially those
>>that are not connected to the Internet.
>
>William , William , we continue to have this disagreement. The AKA cannot
>supply electronic Fish and egg listings until the majority of the
membership
>has the capabilities to use it. In other words once the internet members go
>over 50% we have an arguement with the current reigning BOT. To do it now
is
>simply not fair to the rest of the membership.
>>
>>Here's Ted, ironically the current editor of the BNL, lamenting that he's
>not
>>likely to move the tank loads of fry he's listed in the next BNL. Within
>>hours he's sold three pair.
>
>Correct thats within 24 hours about 15 pair. I'm not going to lie to
anyone.
>My vocal outbursts have got me into enough trouble all my life and continue
>to do so , but when I feel strongly about something , I vocalize it. Not to
>the point ( I hope) of making enemys. My main purpose is to try and make
>others aware of how I see it(from the inside so to speak). This may sound
>arrogant but it is not meant to be so. Just factual. IMHO for years things
>have been run the way they were years ago. We need change but it cannot
>destroy the fine organization we have now.You also have to take into
>consideration that I agree with you that the electronic media is the way to
>go.
>
>
> I know of another individual who listed fish
>>and eggs for a common species that's often advertised in the BNL. And
>>he received 20 replies the next day.
>>
>>Critics have claimed that an electronic version of the BNL would be
>>unfair. True. Except it would be unfair only to those that have Internet
>>access. You see, they have an unfair advantage in that they have two
>>ways to advertise their fish, through the BNL and through the lists.
>>Non-Internet members only have the printed BNL. Ted just "scooped"
>>any other listing for Cyn magnificus in the August BNL.
>
>Yes , I did but I haven't posted it on the Mejac site and won't until the
>BNL
>is out. Please take into consideratiopn that I also "feel" a certain amount
>of loyalty to them also If you look at this with Species Maintenance being
>my main objective(look at the Fish & Egg listing over the last 2 years and
>see how many times they were listed) , I've done a little towards
>accomplishing my goal.
>>
>>I'm not picking on Ted. In fact I think it's marvelous the way the
>Internet
>>can be used to support the hobby. And if he moves a couple tank loads
>>of Cyn magnificus to other killie nuts, that's great!
>>
>>So I'm suggesting that restricting non-Internet connected members to only
>>print communications is totally unfair. Of course, they don't even
realize
>>it because they're not connected. So what should we do. Do we keep
>>our dirty little secret to ourselves and "chill" them out? Or do we open
>up
>>markets to them to help promote and distribute killifish?
>
> This is going to happen soon enough. IMHO we just have to have a little
>patience. We're treading on thin ice here. What happens if we destroy the
>AKA ? The AKA has the capitol to accomplish a lot of good things in all
>these areas Let's proceed slowly The BOT is aware that many new ideas are
>being discussed and I believe over time, they will change.
>You also have to consider that "they" could well be some of us.
>I brought this out weeks ago in the Beginners committee thread ,
>participate.
>You will have more fun!
>
>>Ted Klotz
>9969 Bethel Rd
>Remsen,NY 13438
>(315) 831-5682
>
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>
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