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Re: I-net BNL soapbox - again SPAM

William,
Please see below.

-----Original Message-----
From: William Vannerson <William_Vannerson at ama-assn_org>
To: killietalk at aka_org <killietalk at aka_org>
Date: Tuesday, July 28, 1998 9:24 AM
Subject: I-net BNL soapbox - again SPAM


>Re: Where'd all the fish go? -Reply -Reply
>
>>>Ted K. wrote<<
>>>I recently have been fortunate enough to hatch out a lot of Cyn
>magnificus,...  I'm offering them in the BNL(August) for $7.00 a pair. I'm
>willing to bet I don't get very many orders.<<
>
>>>Bill S. replied<<
>>>Can you hold 3 pair of them for me, and let me know method of
>payment and shipping charges ect...?<<
>
>I know.  I know.  There goes Vannerson again.  Spouting off about an
>electronic version of the BNL ...AGAIN.  If you don't want hear all of this
>again, please use your delete button now.
>
>..On Soapbox...
>
>I just can't resist with this thread being an excellent case in point where
>an electronic BNL be demanded by all AKA members, especially those
>that are not connected to the Internet.

William , William , we continue to have this disagreement. The AKA cannot
supply electronic Fish and egg listings until the majority of the membership
has the capabilities to use it. In other words once the internet members go
over 50% we have an arguement with the current reigning BOT. To do it now is
simply not fair to the rest of the membership.
>
>Here's Ted, ironically the current editor of the BNL, lamenting that he's
not
>likely to move the tank loads of fry he's listed in the next BNL.  Within
>hours he's sold three pair.

Correct thats within 24 hours about 15 pair. I'm not going to lie to anyone.
My vocal outbursts have got me into enough trouble all my life and continue
to do so , but when I feel strongly about something , I vocalize it. Not to
the point ( I hope) of making enemys. My main purpose is to try and make
others aware of how I see it(from the inside so to speak). This may sound
arrogant but it is not meant to be so. Just factual. IMHO for years things
have been run the way they were years ago. We need change but it cannot
destroy the fine organization we have now.You also have to take into
consideration that I agree with you that the electronic media is the way to
go.


 I know of another individual who listed fish
>and eggs for a common species that's often advertised in the BNL.  And
>he received 20 replies the next day.
>
>Critics have claimed that an electronic version of the BNL would be
>unfair.  True.  Except it would be unfair only to those that have Internet
>access.  You see, they have an unfair advantage in that they have two
>ways to advertise their fish, through the BNL and through the lists.
>Non-Internet members only have the printed BNL.  Ted just "scooped"
>any other listing for Cyn magnificus in the August BNL.

Yes , I did but I haven't posted it on the Mejac site and won't until the
BNL
is out. Please take into consideratiopn that I also "feel" a certain amount
of loyalty to them also If you look at this with Species Maintenance being
my main objective(look at the Fish & Egg listing over the last 2 years and
see how many times they were listed) , I've done a little towards
accomplishing my goal.
>
>I'm not picking on Ted.  In fact I think it's marvelous the way the
Internet
>can be used to support the hobby.  And if he moves a couple tank loads
>of Cyn magnificus to other killie nuts, that's great!
>
>So I'm suggesting that restricting non-Internet connected members to only
>print communications is totally unfair.  Of course, they don't even realize
>it because they're not connected.  So what should we do.  Do we keep
>our dirty little secret to ourselves and "chill" them out?  Or do we open
up
>markets to them to help promote and distribute killifish?

 This is going to happen soon enough. IMHO we just have to have a little
patience. We're treading on thin ice here. What happens if we destroy the
AKA ? The AKA has the capitol to accomplish a lot of good things in all
these areas Let's proceed slowly The BOT is aware that many new ideas are
being discussed and I believe over time, they will change.
You also have to consider that "they" could well be some of us.
I brought this out weeks ago in the Beginners committee thread ,
participate.
You will have more fun!

>Ted Klotz
9969 Bethel Rd
Remsen,NY 13438
(315) 831-5682