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Subject: Re: KillieTalk Digest V2 #267
From: RSchwiegerath <critters at sdc_org>
Date: Tue, 07 Jul 1998 14:41:49 -0600
References: <199807071928.PAA16401 at acme_actwin.com>
KillieTalk Digest wrote:
> 
> KillieTalk Digest        Tuesday, July 7 1998        Volume 02 : Number 267
> 
> In this issue:
> 
>         F. Robertsoni, F. Ndianium
>         Golden Killi
>         Re: Golden Killi -- an enigma
>         Re: Golden Killi -- an enigma
>         Re: Golden Killi -- an enigma -Reply
>         More questions about Nothos
> 
> See the end of the digest for information on unsubscribing from the
> KillieTalk mailing list and on how to retrieve back issues.
> 
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> 
> Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 09:04:27 -0500
> From: Jim Langan <jim.langan at dyn-eng_com>
> Subject: F. Robertsoni, F. Ndianium
> 
> I recently obtained a trio of F. Ndianium and three pairs of F. robertsoni.
>  I am looking for some advice in breeding this fish.  I understand that
> they are peat spawners and have a long dry spell before the eggs hatch.  I
> have had peat spawners before Nothos and Cynos.  Are these similar or is
> there something else which must be done.  How long is the incubation cycle.
>  Any help and direction is appreciated.
> 
> Jim Langan
> 
> jim.langan at dyn-eng_com
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 11:02:59 EDT
> From: Shivan5952 at aol_com
> Subject: Golden Killi
> 
> Hi everyone,
>    I was just wondering if any one knows the scientific name of my Killi fish.
> At got them at a local fish store.  They are called golden killis.  Does any
> body have any idea or ever heard of them?
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 11:57:37 EDT
> From: AUS62 at aol_com
> Subject: Re: Golden Killi -- an enigma
> 
> Shivan5952 wants an ID on a fish bought as "Golden Killi". This name is
> pretty, butis pretty useless for identifying the fish. This serves as a
> perfect example of t he necessity of using scientific names for our fish as
> local colloquialisms are not helpful. My guess (it is only a guess) is the
> fish is Aplocheilus liineatus of which a beautiful golden yellow color morph
> has been developed. It is a real beauty and will probably replace the natural
> colored form in our tanks. In fact, it is one of the few color morphs I have
> personally as i prefer natural colored killies in all the rest. Enjoy your
> fish, Shivan, but use the proper name once it is identified.
> 
>                                                        Yours,    Harry Specht
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Date: Tue, 7 Jul 98 13:35:00 -0500
> From: Dale Deck <deck at ptcnet_net>
> Subject: Re: Golden Killi -- an enigma
> 
> >Shivan5952 wants an ID on a fish bought as "Golden Killi". This name is
> >pretty, butis pretty useless for identifying the fish. This serves as a
> >perfect example of t he necessity of using scientific names for our fish as
> >local colloquialisms are not helpful. My guess (it is only a guess) is the
> >fish is Aplocheilus liineatus of which a beautiful golden yellow color morph
> >has been developed. It is a real beauty and will probably replace the natural
> >colored form in our tanks. In fact, it is one of the few color morphs I have
> >personally as i prefer natural colored killies in all the rest. Enjoy your
> >fish, Shivan, but use the proper name once it is identified.
> >
> >                                                       Yours,    Harry Specht
> Yes it is very inportent. My book on comon names does not even mention the
> Golden Killie. It does list the following killies:
> Golden ear               Fundulus chrysoteus
> Golden lyretail          Aphyosemion australe
> Golden keeled rivulus    Rivilus holmiae
> Golden panchax           Pachypancex Playfairi
> Golden Pheasent          Fundulopanchex occidentials
> Golden rivulus           Rivulus uropthelus
> 
> My quess is that it is the A. australe "gold" which is also a color morph
> of the A. australe "chocoloate". The gold form is often seen in pet shops
> as it is probably the more popular (sorry Harry).
> 
> WD0FNU
> Dale Deck
> http://www.netins.net/showcase/killies/
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Date: Tue, 07 Jul 1998 13:57:40 -0500
> From: William Vannerson <William_Vannerson at ama-assn_org>
> Subject: Re: Golden Killi -- an enigma -Reply
> 
> >>Shivan5952 wants an ID on a fish bought as "Golden Killi".
> 
> Don't worry Shivan5952 (what is your name BTW?)  Things aren't as
> dismal as they sound.  First, check out the AKA web site (www.aka.org)
> for photos of the fish Harry and Dale listed and see which photos most
> closely match your fish.  While you're there, take a look at the beginners
> guide too.
> 
> It sounds as if this is your first venture into killies.  The naming
> nomenclature can be intimidating at first, but as Harry points out, it's very
> important.  But you can still enjoy your fish, even if you can't accurately
> identify them.  Most serious killie fans would ask that you don't distribute
> any eggs or fry from these fish in the future. That will help keep the
> known populations in the hobby pure.
> 
> Instead, once you get your feet wet, pick up a pair or two of a killie with a
> known population from any of the folks you'll find here on the list.  Use
> these as the start of any serious breeding program.
> 
> Good luck
> 
> Bill Vannerson
> http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/william_vannerson
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 15:05:03 -0400
> From: cgraseck at ludl_com
> Subject: More questions about Nothos
> 
> With all of this talk about Nothobranchius I've been browsing through the
> gallery to see what all the various types look like and I see that N.
> rachovii is listed as being" not a beginners fish."  Well I've never kept
> any Nothobranchius species, so I guess that makes me a beginner. ( to
> Nothos anyway)  What is so problematic about rachoviis and which of the
> Nothos is better suited for beginners.
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
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 Re: Nothobranchius question = whomever?

The "easiest of the Nothos. is probably N. guentheri in that it is
easily spawned, fed, has resistance to most notho. diseases (namely
velvet which is relatively easily controlled by adding a tsp. of salt
per gallon of water), and is of average size for the genus.  

As far as which Notho. is the easiest, I truely believe its a matter of
how well the spawning medium (preboiled and well rinsed peat moss) is
prepared. Some (including  me )often neutralize the hot water/peat with
baking soda. Be careful since it will
boil over when hot and can make quite a mess of your range!).  The
biggest problems are probably leaving the peat in the tank too
long,(leading to contamination from uneaten foot and the adults' fecal
matter), not drying it sufficiently after harvesting, and most
importantly, not knowing how long to wait before hatching which is VERY
species dependant.

Good Luck,

Bob
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