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Re: [Killietalk] Killietalk Digest, Of Trout and Tropical fish



Hi Karl,
Those look like Great Lakes Fresh Water Chinook "Black Mouth" Salmon and nice ones too. I live at the confluence of the Snake River and Clearwater Rivers in Clarkston, WA on the Idaho border across from Lewiston, ID. We have sea run Chinook that sometimes weigh in over 45 LB.s and Sea Run Rainbows, "Steelhead to 27lb.s. My best fly caught Steel head have been 38 inches and 18 pounds and they are one of the finest of sport fish to be caught on the fly. I actually prefer the native trout fishing even if they are smaller. The great fishing is my main reason for living here but as a place to breed and sell tropical fish on line I am in a pretty rural area as far as the shipping options are concerned. We don't have albino trout but wherever bait slinging is legal, plenty of trout are caught on Velveeta and Marshmallows. Sad statement on how low a trout will stoop but those are the planted trout in put and take fisheries. Wild trout are much more selective.
There has proven to be quite a bit of relevance between fly fishing and tropical fish since the aquatic insects they eat and those fed to tropicals greatly overlap so the two hobbies reinforce each other. There are nearly always tropical equivalents when it comes to aquatic insects and those of the temperate zones. Also learning a lot about trout behavior and biology has proven useful when trying to generalize form and function with imitating likely biotopes that their morphology seems well adapted. I also learn how to maximize inferences about the life styles of tropical fish from their hydrological morphology. It has proven to be a happy coincidence that my interest in my two favorite hobbies reinforce each other. Trout and all other fish have instinctual calculations and triggers that stimulate feeding responses and learning how to take advantage of these traits helps discover how to best keep and often breed new species. I do a lot of work with small fancy Pleco breeding and wild Discus. Discus I knew well but I had much to learn when I first took up the project of learning to breed the fancy Plecos. I am currently breeding these Plecos, L260. L333 and L134. I am one of the largest producers of tank raised L134 in the country. 

Larry Waybright


Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 14:21:57 -0400
From: "Karl Doering" <kilikarl at wowway_com>
Subject: Re: [Killietalk] Killietalk Digest, Fishing mosquito fly
	imitations
To: <ken_combs at sbcglobal.net>, "killifish discussion list"
	<killietalk at aka_org>

my grandson last weekend. How would you like to have that on a fly rod??
----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken" <ken_combs at sbcglobal.net> 
To: "'killifish discussion list'" <killietalk at aka_org>
Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 2:15 PM
Subject: Re: [Killietalk] Killietalk Digest, Fishing mosquito fly imitations



Off topic but...we don't bother with all the hub-bub of wild trout here in
Ohio...the clean water they need cost jobs, taxes and is contrary to our
conservative values...

Personally I just wait for the water truck from the Fish & game to appear
with those 10" "Albino Rainbows"...and being the purist sport fisherman that 
I am, "tie on" a yellow kernel of corn or a cheetos; and voila'...<LOL>

Regards Lush Rimjob;


-----Original Message-----
From: killietalk-bounces at aka_org [mailto:killietalk-bounces at aka_org] On
Behalf Of Larry Waybright
Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 12:45 PM
To: killietalk at aka_org
Subject: Re: [Killietalk] Killietalk Digest, Fishing mosquito fly imitations 

Hi Scott,
Mosquito larvae are a relatively unimportant food for fresh water game
fish. I can speak with more authority about Trout.
Since mosquito larvae are fresh water insects the one insect that is
most similar and by far the most important prey animals are the
Chironomid pupae. They rise up slowly from the bottom buoyed up by the
gases that form between the pre-emergent Gnat and the exterior pupal
casing. They move very little; an occasional twitch. Fish them still or
inch retrieves every minute or so. You can use the same flies as
mosquito larvae/pupae but the trout normally ignore quicker moving
mosquito imitation flies. A good compromise is a still born emergent
Chironomid that floats in the surface film. Twitch 1 inch every few minutes. 

Larry Waybright
Trout fly fishing bum and fly tier.
Based in Eastern WA and Northern Idaho
I've caught 1000's of Rainbows from the quality fisheries Lakes in
Central WA to 7 lb.s on #16 Chironomid pupae imitations


Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 08:43:57 -0700 (PDT)
From: Scott Davis <unclescott at prodigy_net>
Subject: Re: [Killietalk] foraging behavior
To: killifish discussion list <killietalk at aka_org>

Have you ever noticed how the killies will chase the pupae (the ones
that look like commas on speed) before they will really go after the long, 
skinny

larvae? It is a good thing, since it may be a matter of? minutes to a
couple of hours before they are flying around the house. That chase can
not be too energy efficient, but the jerky pupae movement just drives
the fish wild.

The overfed, under exercised (bored?) killies probably need the activity

and stimulation anyway. ;)


Some fishing lures sort of mimic that spastic,
any-random-direction-is-good strategy. Wish one could make a lure (or

surface fly) that

exactly mimics the mosquito pupae.



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