Ken for not being able to post to killietalk, i was able to read your post..... maybe you're just not getting messages you send to the list. John Join the AKA at http://www.aka.org/aka/modules/content/index.php?id=9. Archives are at http://sable.actwin.com/pipermail/killietalk/ Modify your subscription at http://www.actwin.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/killietalk