Re: [Killietalk] how to ID a proven breeder

[Tom Payne <paynedds at earthlink_net>]

Bill Shenefelt wrote:
> In my reply to Al Anderson, auctions are for raising funds and should be
> used to attract any potential bidder.  I also answered your question as to
> how to ID a proven breeder- Look at his box sale and auction fish. 
>
> I never proposed something strange like awarding paddle colors based on box
> sale or show fish entered.  Sure some real nice fish disappear into the
> bowls of black hole fishrooms but they bring the money needed to get more.
> Some do get into fishrooms that put out fish. 
>
> I think it foolish to discriminate at an auction.  If some host club wants
> to discriminate, make the rare stuff "trade bait" like back in the late 60's
> when via the Killie Notes if you did not have fish as trade bait, you could
> not get anything other than maybe whitei or gardneri and australe.  Anything
> rare was for trade only and not available for money. Want rare, attend a
> convention with some pockets stuffed with money or boxes stuffed with
> potential money.  Maybe auction a pr or two of rare fish off to the "highest
> trade" bidder prior to the auction and then auction his trade?
>    
> Even then we must make auction fish available to ALL BIDDERS.  
> Bill Shenefelt
>
> If we are proposing to discriminate who may and may not purchase fish, 
> it would seem wise to have something to measure candidate buyers 
> against. I was looking for something definitive.

This is the reason I asked the question originally. I chose a poor word 
(discriminate) that has been politicized enough to stimulate emotion. 
Maybe the analogy of judging fish might work. To become first or second 
in class or show, each fish must have met some level of excellence that 
is identifiable with standards. The fish neither care or think about 
whether they won or lost. I'm not sure that's possible with humans 
beyond breeder's award programs. Applied rigidly, standards by which one 
might be termed a "proven" breeder, qualified for special treatment like 
purchasing fish in an open setting, would probably be counterproductive 
to the notion that we want to foster fish keeping and fellowship among 
hobbyists.

Methinks this is a road down which we do not want to travel. There must 
be better ways to distribute fish equitably without generating discord. 
It's worth thinking over. Arbitrariness begets hurt feelings and 
frustration. Not good for anyone.


Sorry to have put a knot in anyone's shorts!



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Tom Payne
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