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1. Re: Microworms, vinegar eels, bbs, w.h.y. (Ken)
2. Re: Microworms, vinegar eels, bbs, w.h.y. (Scott Davis)
3. Re: Microworms, vinegar eels, bbs, w.h.y. (Nick Ternes)
4. Re: Microworms, vinegar eels, bbs, w.h.y. (Sanford Binder)

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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 04:43:38 -0500
From: "Ken" <ken_combs at sbcglobal.net<mailto:ken_combs at sbcglobal.net>>
Subject: Re: [Killietalk] Microworms, vinegar eels, bbs, w.h.y.
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I did that also, along with that red color enhancer...the culture molded a
lil faster; even when using the "rinse & swirl" method, so I gave it up...
Anymore I just keep 3-4 cultures in the fridge...slow developing perhaps,
but last weeks if not months

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Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 11:12 PM
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Subject: Re: [Killietalk] Microworms, vinegar eels, bbs, w.h.y.

Micro worms. I put powdered algae in the mix and the little buggers are
green. It must be better than just oatmeal.

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Subject: [Killietalk] Microworms, vinegar eels, bbs, w.h.y.

My $.02.

I use whatever live foods I have available and try to keep as many varieties
going as I can. I have just a few tanks of assorted aphyosemions going (with
some tanks empty in wait for the convention fish that I'm looking forward to
acquiring.) Microworms seem to help a lot as they're more or less always
available - no messing around with bbs, can be raised in quantity to feed
the odd tank or two of maybe a dozen to 30 aphyosemion fry. Brine shrimp are
great, too, but they require more frequent interaction from me, where the
microworms are set up every other week or so and last and last.

In the summer, daphnia are usually available and sifted daphnia (getting the
big 'uns out) work really well for small fry, you can get very small daphnia
that way. The few times I've had Moina it's done o.k. too, but I don't
culture daphnia, it's a hassle and the neighbors complain about the
mosquitos, this is a relatively mosquito-free area (unlike when I lived in
NJ, where the mosquito is the state bird, so no one minded a few more
buzzing around due to daphnia containers.)

ANother useful food for 1/3" or bigger fry is usually grindal worms, because
they're small and last in the water for awhile. WHen I had access to them,
chopped red tubifex worms worked really well too.

Also, one thing I've noticed is that whatever you feed your microworms has a
big effect on the fry. I've taken to culturing microworms on ground-up
(blenderized) trout chow. It tends to get a little dry so you have to wet
down the culture once in awhile, but lasts and seems more nutritional than
bread or oatmeal.

YMMV. Feed lots of varied foods to your fish and they'll be happier, or at
least, you'll be happier for them.

Matt in the PNW

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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 03:36:34 -0800 (PST)
From: Scott Davis <unclescott at prodigy_net<mailto:unclescott at prodigy_net>>
Subject: Re: [Killietalk] Microworms, vinegar eels, bbs, w.h.y.
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--- On Fri, 2/27/09, rfeilzer at aol_com<mailto:rfeilzer at aol_com> <rfeilzer at aol_com<mailto:rfeilzer at aol_com>> wrote:

I would add, do fish taste??

Of course, especially if properly seasoned. ;)

But their sense of taste, perhaps more of an olfactory thing (smell, taste, feel maybe combined) via taste buds and those irregular indentations on the fishes' sides does seem to be significant.

A bunch of years ago there was some talk about garlic as a taste attractant in paste foods, Maybe or maybe other other fresh items also helped draw the fish to the stuff.

Had the privilege to get into a phone conversation with Ed Taylor, former AKA board person, TFH editor, breeder of fish on a Florida fish farm and then a representative for Aquarian foods, when it came back to the US um... 15 or so years ago, The subject of taste attractant in commercially prepared flakes and pellets came up. He was very much against it, kind of on the milk shake model (for people) feeling that just because it tasted good to the fish didn't necessarily mean it was all that good for them.
I responded that if the flake, crumble or whatever was good food for the fish, why not have something to draw sight feeders and other reluctant feeders to the commercial food?

I think he would have been happier with fresh high quality foods where the scent of worms or something else especially desirable and nutritious drew them in.

Certainly we have all see at least certain killies home in on some flakes and leave others along. In an different part of the aquarium Corys are so myopic, they hardly seem to see the food. But watch them catch the scent of blackworms! :)

Mostly because they were samples but at the correct price, I have been offering pupfish and American flags pre-soaked algae "pills" about a half a cm across. Just wet, those things still float, though they can be lightly squeezed while in the hydrating jar and will then sink. Soaked those things are pretty easily bitten and when the flag fish and pupfish get over being started by the small splashes, they go for them.

Likewise receieved a small cannister of Tetra's color crumbles in a goodie bag. The Epiplays and Aplocheilus and Fundulopanchax pretty enthusiastically go for them, whether the crubles are presoaked or not. If time permits, they (the crumbles) may be chipped with a fingernail for the benefit of youngsters. Still the wet crumbles can be pulled apart even by the little guys.

If flake food has been in an opened cannister for a while, those fish don't approach the flakes with quite the same enthusiasm. Black worms or Daphnia or even defrosted, rinsed glass worms are even more enthusiastically snarfed down of course.

I would guess that those commercial foods would be harder to feed to annuals. Still though, remember Lou Sandburg (if the name is right - from Detroit) who would wean his Nothos off of baby b.s. to crushed (fresh) flakes. He'd dump a like-sized gardneri fry or two in with the Notho's fry. In time the increasingly hungry Notho fry, watching the gardneri pig out, would try the flakes. Later having been conditioned to them, they would regularly take flakes at the surface or dropping down though the water, Recall fondly a pair of Lou's rachovii and also kirki that did surprisingly well on flakes.

Just a little grist for the mill.

All the best!

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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 09:13:14 -0600
From: Nick Ternes <woodland_gardens at gmail.com<mailto:woodland_gardens at gmail.com>>
Subject: Re: [Killietalk] Microworms, vinegar eels, bbs, w.h.y.
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I've gotten almost every notho I've raised to eat flake as long as
I've taken the time to introduce it to their diet at a young age.
I've never fed it exclusively, but they eat it through adulthood.
Guentheri and korthausae in particular are easy to get onto flakes,
they're as greedy as gardneri. (or guppies for that matter) Another
reason both are great beginners fish. Janpapi eats pure spirulina
flake readily enough for me.

Not all flake is created equally, and annuals seem to only eat the
flake they were raised on. (at least for me) I'm currently using
pure spirulina flake from Jehmco and formula one color enhancing
flake. Fish seem to really like the formula one, I think due to the
fact that the first ingredient is salmon.

Nick Ternes
Oostburg, WI
WAKO
AKA

> I would guess that those commercial foods would be harder to feed to annuals. Still though, remember Lou Sandburg (if the name is right - from Detroit) who would wean his Nothos off of baby b.s. to crushed (fresh) flakes. He'd dump a like-sized gardneri fry or two in with the Notho's fry. In time the increasingly hungry Notho fry, watching the gardneri pig out, would try the flakes. Later having been conditioned to them, they would regularly take flakes at the surface or dropping down though the water, Recall fondly a pair of Lou's rachovii and also kirki that did surprisingly well on flakes.
>
> Just a little grist for the mill.
>
> All the best!
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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 20:57:50 -0800 (PST)
From: Sanford Binder <sandy_binder at yahoo.com<mailto:sandy_binder at yahoo.com>>
Subject: Re: [Killietalk] Microworms, vinegar eels, bbs, w.h.y.
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Cc: Sandy Binder <sandy1238 at aol_com<mailto:sandy1238 at aol_com>>

Hi,
This might be a good way to add nutrition to our fry's diet. Where do you get the powder/

Sincerely,

Sandy

--- On Fri, 2/27/09, dmckercher <dmckercher at npcomp_com<mailto:dmckercher at npcomp_com>> wrote:

From: dmckercher <dmckercher at npcomp_com<mailto:dmckercher at npcomp_com>>
Subject: Re: [Killietalk] Microworms, vinegar eels, bbs, w.h.y.
To: "'killifish discussion list'" <killietalk at actwin_com<mailto:killietalk at actwin_com>>
Date: Friday, February 27, 2009, 4:12 AM

Micro worms. I put powdered algae in the mix and the little buggers are
green. It must be better than just oatmeal.

My $.02.

YMMV. Feed lots of varied foods to your fish and they'll be happier, or at
least, you'll be happier for them.

Matt in the PNW

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