Re: [Killietalk] Water problems: Solution???

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Do you know the latin name for the jeweled orchid?
Thanks,
Roger

-----Original Message-----
>From: David Lains <david at zebrafish_org>
>Sent: Dec 7, 2007 7:43 PM
>To: 'killifish discussion list' <killietalk at aka_org>
>Subject: Re: [Killietalk] Water problems: Solution???
>
>Hi Lee
>
>The jeweled orchid also loves sending it's terrestrial roots through fish
>water.
>
>Plus the leaves are better than the flowers.
>
>Best Fishes
>David  
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: killietalk-bounces at aka_org [mailto:killietalk-bounces at aka_org] On
>Behalf Of lee Van Hyfte
>Sent: Friday, December 07, 2007 2:34 PM
>To: na na
>Subject: Re: [Killietalk] Water problems: Solution???
>
>
>Hey Bob, Dave, et all,
>
>One solution that has been used by salt aquarists is algae bed filtration.
>Essentially running all waste water through a tank of macroalgae to remove
>toxins and nitrogenous waste.  Also massively increases total dissolved
>oxygen content. 
>
>This could be done continuously in the system.  or via a water change and
>separate system where water is recycled.  
>
>Waste treatment facilities do this with hyacinth in the south.   raw sewage
>in and pure drinkable water at the end.   SAW THIS ON DISCOVERY!!!!! They
>guy actually took a glass of it and drank it.  He has a lot more faith in
>hyacinth than I do!!
>
>
>Anyway,  2 tanks full of Najas could be 12 hour cycled with light to become
>the "algae bed filter".    attention to Iron potassium and Magnesium would
>be essential make sure the plants are strong enough to FILTER!! I would
>think carbon filtration would be beneficial to remove the hormones etc
>produced by the fish (might be useful to only run the carbon once weekly to
>reduce the amount of Iron etc. it would filter out).  THE 2 tanks of Najas
>are a must!!  This allows the plants time on an alternating basis to
>assimilate nutrients that have been taken up during the light phase.  Many
>plants and most noteably, cabomba actually go to sleep whether you turn out
>the lights or not, and thus do not uptake anymore nutrients.   SO one lit 12
>hours while the other sleeps would be advantageous. 
>
>Using the 48" 32w t-8 GE cool whites and the 48inch strip lights from home
>depot should be sufficient to make NAJAS grow well.  A mix of the cheaper
>warm and the cool white should actually be advantageous.  I think the cools
>are listed at 5000k. 
>
>CO2 use would greatly amplify how effective the plants uptake nutrients.
>Plus you could control acidity in the tanks and potential soften the water.
>
>
> I would imagine if using Anacharis or elodea would actually soften the
>water in the process (without CO2).  They can utilize Calcium carbonate as a
>replacement for CO2.   But this comes with a cost of plant growth
>efficiency.  
>
>Lastly, on the "algae bed" filter.   When using CO2 especially.  The plants
>can actually cause water to exceed the 100% total dissolved oxygen level!!!!
>Some experiments ran by Dupla showed water at a level of 107% on the out
>feed lines. (using CO2 and plant supplementation)   This means healthier
>fish, higher growth rates, no nitrates, no ammonia, no nitrate, NO DISEASE!!
>So 2 algae bed filters ran on a centralized system significantly reduces
>required water changes (possibly to none) not to mention it simply
>replicates what nature does on its own.  
>
>NAJAS should be an excellent candidate!!  High growth rates, and WAY TOO
>HARDY!!!
>
>FOR THE RECORD!!!   I intend to utilize this in my central systems once I
>get the NEW fishroom.    Saves a lot of water changes and labor!!!!!
>
>Another alternative is the deBryun filters which reportedly only require
>topping off.   Should be able to find the PDF document on how to build one
>on the internet.  
>
>
>Oh on houseplants.  The Spathophyllums (a.k.a. Peace lillies) are excellent
>water rooted plants.  Available at almost every wal-mart and home depot with
>a garden center.  Heavy feeders easy to grow, use moderate light to bright
>light.    Using something like rock wool to support the crown would make
>this an excellent plant.   HUGE ROOT SYSTEMS!!!!   Often found in the "betta
>Bowl" kits. 
>
>If you want to try an orchid try Phragmepediums.  REQUIRE high-ish light
>though.  Found in the wild with roots in the streams.  Especially phrag.
>besseae and its BEAUTIFUL HYBRIDS!!!!   Crown of the plant needs to be
>relatively dry though. So only the roots can be in the water. 
>
>God Bless, Lee van Hyfte <><  the "Rivnut"  
>
>
>
>
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