Re: [Killietalk] The

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  I believe you mean make it more dificult to crack, edit and copy, not impossible.  

-----Original Message-----
>From: Robert Goldstein <rgoldstein at rjgacarolina_com>
>Sent: Dec 7, 2007 3:12 PM
>To: killifish discussion list <killietalk at aka_org>
>Subject: Re: [Killietalk] The "Drake Equation" was RE:  Question
>
>Mark - That's not realistic. You're talking about hundreds and perhaps a 
>thousand individual permissions. By making the record uneditable (it 
>absolutely should not be available in Word) and the photos uncopyable, AKA 
>avoids being in a potential position of abetting copyright infringement. 
>Copyright law is complex and expensive to ignore. Putting all that together 
>with a search function is a complicated and difficult job best left to 
>experts. For those who want Christmas now, there is always the alternative 
>of DIY.  - Bob Goldstein
>
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Mark Delraso" <altos at att_net>
>To: "killifish discussion list" <killietalk at aka_org>
>Sent: Friday, December 07, 2007 2:52 PM
>Subject: Re: [Killietalk] The "Drake Equation" was RE: Question
>
>
>> Unless permission is given!
>>
>>  Mark DelRaso
>>
>> Brian Watters <bwatters at shaw_ca> wrote:
>>  Ken, you cannot legally do what you suggest because it would be an
>> infringement of copyright and, if you don't believe me, consult a 
>> copyright
>> lawyer. The mere fact that you are an AKA member does not give you the 
>> right
>> to copy and distribute AKA materials. You can make copies for your own,
>> personal, use but nothing beyond that.
>> ___________________________
>> Brian Watters
>> 6141 Parkwood Drive
>> Nanaimo, BC, V9T 6A2
>> Canada
>> Ph: (250) 760-0564
>> E-mail: bwatters at shaw_ca
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: killietalk-bounces at aka_org [mailto:killietalk-bounces at aka_org]On
>>> Behalf Of Ken
>>> Sent: December 7, 2007 10:56 AM
>>> To: 'Wright Huntley'; 'killifish discussion list'
>>> Subject: Re: [Killietalk] The "Drake Equation" was RE: Question
>>>
>>>
>>> Wright, everyone (excuse the multi-long-post, but this is a constructive
>>> stimulating conversation)
>>> ...
>>> If someone (with good intentions or otherwise) has taken ownership of the
>>> thing, but (for whatever reason) has not delivered unto us what we
>>> demand/whine about, then we as a club/collective always have the option 
>>> to
>>> simply take the thing back by doing it ourselves...
>>>
>>> We all know people appreciate a thing a lot more if their own sweat is
>>> involved (understanding that group "sweat" is often be more bonding than
>>> divisive, this thing probably shudda been a "open source" deal to begin
>>> with)...additionally, we also know greed & bargains are good 
>>> motivators...
>>>
>>> So I propose you/we/whomever post all the issues that have already been
>>> "electronically" converted and proofed... and likewise post a list of any
>>> missing issues (assuming we are missing any)
>>>
>>> Now we offer say 10% off the "final" DVD to anyone submitting "unique" 
>>> raw
>>> scanned JAKA's (at a given pre-agreed DPI & image quality)
>>>
>>> ...and say offer 33% off for "unique/missing" scanned JAKA's with proofed
>>> "plain text" along separate raw image files (again of a set given
>>> standard)
>>>
>>> ...and perhaps 50% off for mailing in decent missing back issues
>>> (naturally
>>> with a set return date and return postage)
>>>
>>> While I doubt we might get 50 people to submit unique/useable material,
>>> there has got to be some "net gain" using the above proposal for
>>> a lot less
>>> individual effort...and so what we discount and/or giveaway a few
>>> DVD's, how
>>> much can a plastic DVD cost per unit anyway? (I'm assuming the
>>> "master" cost
>>> the same sweat/money whether we make 500 or 5000 copies)...
>>>
>>> And granted; I can envision this request for "sweat donations" to
>>> be a total
>>> waste of time, but it can't be any more of a waste of time/effort than 
>>> has
>>> already been spent at this point
>>>
>>> KC >
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Wright Huntley [mailto:whuntley at verizon_net]
>>> Sent: Friday, December 07, 2007 1:10 PM
>>> To: ken_combs at sbcglobal.net; killifish discussion list
>>> Subject: Re: [Killietalk] The "Drake Equation" was RE: Question
>>>
>>> Ken wrote:
>>> > I thought I'd take a stab at humor as opposed to directly beating up on
>>> one
>>> > person or a small group of people over the thing...
>>> Good stab, Ken. It did lighten things up a bit.
>>>
>>> The kind of public collaboration you suggest is done all the time, these
>>> days in a form called "wikis." [Check with Thuan Nguyen of BAKA if you
>>> want to help upgrade the current Wikipedia article on killifish.]
>>>
>>> The problem is one of objective. I regret that my former post on the
>>> original thread was taken as sarcasm. My comment as to the rate of
>>> technology change vs the project progress was dead serious. I was trying
>>> to point out that the desire of earlier BOTs and a few academic types to
>>> have a credible academic journal archive in uneditable, permanent form
>>> was in conflict with Al's and my desire to just have ready access to the
>>> contents. I do not care if it is on the web, on DVD, or any other
>>> readily useful form. Just please don't try to deliver it on 3.5"
>>> floppies. OK? [That was intentional sarcasm, BTW :-) ]
>>>
>>> JAKA is not, in general, a scholarly academic refereed journal. It is
>>> basically a more-sophisticated-than-usual hobby publication, although
>>> some of us might like it to be more than that.
>>>
>>> I, and I suspect most other authors, don't wish the AKA to act as
>>> thought police and mess up the results by trying to use technology to
>>> prevent copying. On the contrary, I have not submitted anything to the
>>> AKA site gallery, because I simply do not want a "circle c" brand on the
>>> caudals. The policy has had exactly the opposite results to what was
>>> intended, at least in my case! I tolerate editing for size and color
>>> reproduction in a different medium, but not any change in the visual
>>> image itself. That, quite simply, makes it someone else's work, and not
>>> mine.
>>>
>>> I could care less if someone wants to use my (unaltered) pictures in a
>>> hobby newsletter, but I'm quite capable of bringing suit if they appear
>>> in an ad in TFH without my permission. [I like to be asked and given a
>>> copy, but always say yes for any legitimate hobby purpose.] Wasting
>>> precious volunteer resources and delaying dissemination of valuable
>>> information is not a generally good idea (my opinion), when our group is
>>> so small, and those resources are so limited. This is a matter of
>>> perspective and I know we all have slightly different views of what our
>>> hobby represents.
>>>
>>> It would make the hobby better for a curious type, like me, if the JAKA
>>> information was more readily available. It would do little to advance
>>> the hobby to make the archived JAKA reprints meet all the needs of
>>> academia (but a nice thing for science and posterity).
>>>
>>> I apologize to my good friend Barry, for not making clear that I was
>>> just trying to point out the above differences in objectives, but in a
>>> much shorter version. It did sound harsh on re-reading it. ASCII text
>>> tends to do that, particularly when prepared by an old curmudgeon. :-[
>>>
>>> Wright
>>>
>>> --
>>> Wright Huntley - 805 Valley West Cir., Bishop CA 93514
>>> whuntley at verizon_net 760 872-3995. Cell 760 937-2276
>>>
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