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Re: [Killietalk] Question

I agree!!!
Joe
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joseph Scanlan" <drkillinut at mac_com>
To: "killifish discussion list" <killietalk at aka_org>
Sent: Friday, December 07, 2007 2:40 PM
Subject: Re: [Killietalk] Question


> Thanks for explaining to us that things are never as simple as it
> seems.  Something we should all know anyway.  Let's give Barry the
> credit he deserves for even attempting this massive project.
> Joe in Al.
>
>
> On Dec 6, 2007, at 4:22 PM, Richard Pierce wrote:
>
>> I don't know anything about the politics behind the project but it
>> is a very
>> large undertaking and the final appearance of the project has
>> everything to
>> do with the usability of the journal archives.  You also have to
>> take into
>> account how rapidly the technology has changed.  If the archive had
>> come out
>> 8 years ago it would probably have had a custom interface and there
>> is a
>> good chance that it would not even be useable on a modern computer.
>>
>> Scanning the pages and presenting them as simple jpegs would mean
>> that they
>> would not be searchable.  Organizing a bunch of word documents and
>> jpeg
>> files into a coherent and useful archive is also problematic.
>> Ideally the
>> original slides would be scanned and presented in color instead of
>> black &
>> white, and they should also be searchable.  Does anyone really want
>> to sit
>> through page after page of word documents and then have to find the
>> assocated jpgs?  Word documents are not the easiest way to read
>> text on the
>> computer screen.
>>
>> As someone who has hundreds of scientific papers in both PDF and
>> physical
>> forms I can tell you that once you get beyond 50 or a 100 documents,
>> organization becomes more and more difficult.  If you have the
>> paper but
>> can't find it when you need it, you might as well not even have
>> it.  For
>> killies, you want to be able to search by author, species or genus,
>> and
>> country of origin at a minimum.  Besides species breeding accounts
>> you have
>> travelog type articles.  You should be able to find any species
>> encountered
>> in these papers also.  Here is a question: is it more useful to
>> have one PDF
>> file per issue or one per article?  I think that single articles
>> are better
>> for research but worse for browsing old issues.  Most of the
>> scientific
>> journals I am familiar with don't have their digital archives go
>> back past
>> the 90's if they go that far.  For a hobby organization to attempt
>> to do
>> what most professional organizations have rejected as impractical
>> is a major
>> undertaking.  Have there even been any plans of making digital
>> archives of
>> old TFH, FAMA, Buntbarsche Bulletins etc.?  And finally, no matter
>> what the
>> end product is, there will be some who are unhappy with the results.
>>
>> Rich Pierce
>> Massachusetts
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: killietalk-bounces at aka_org [mailto:killietalk-bounces at aka_org]On
>> Behalf Of Wright Huntley
>> Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2007 3:43 PM
>> To: killifish discussion list
>> Subject: Re: [Killietalk] Question
>>
>>
>> Al had some good points, but BOT policy, I suspect, has sabotaged
>> things
>> nearly beyond repair.
>>
>> AKA has a responsibility to protect the intellectual property of
>> authors
>> and photographers (by strictly observing copyrights), but they have
>> had
>> a tendency to treat them as if they were the Great American Novel, or
>> the newest release of Windoze, worth many millions. The AKA BOT should
>> never try to be the intellectual property police. It is up to the DVD
>> (not CD, by the way) buyer to respect the copyright. [HD or Blu-Ray
>> DVD
>> will be obsolete well before the project is finished, at the
>> present rate.]
>>
>> Attempting to treat the project as an archival thing, rather than
>> to get
>> the information into the hands of breeders and other hobbyists has
>> done
>> little to speed things up.
>>
>> Unlike Al and Donna, I have not saved my old Journals with any
>> regularity, so I am possibly more anxious for the project to move
>> ahead
>> than maybe they are.
>>
>> I would strongly prefer the information in Word, so I could copy and
>> paste (within fair-use rules, of course), search, and otherwise
>> actually
>> use the information. Acrobat makes many uses difficult if not
>> impossible. Reprints of the Journal are not data sheets or product
>> manuals that must be protected against spoofing, nor are they binding
>> legal contracts. Why treat them as such?
>>
>> I see no reason why simply scanning them into Word and attaching
>> pictures as JPEGs wouldn't get the job done fairly quickly and easily.
>> As Al says, it is the information we want. Most of us don't give a
>> xxxx
>> about what a sixties document actually looked like, or even want to
>> try
>> to read garbled text on a mottled background.
>>
>> Just my 2 cents,
>>
>> Wright
>>
>> Donna M. Recktenwalt wrote:
>>> We, too, "way back when", had offered to help out. Our offer wasn't
>> taken..
>>> Donna and Tom Recktenwalt
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Al Anderson" <augustand at sbcglobal_net>
>>> To: "killifish discussion list" <killietalk at aka_org>
>>> Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2007 1:51 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Killietalk] Question
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Dear Dr. Cooper,
>>>> You have had the project for over 10 years it is about time to
>>>> get it
>>>> done!.
>>>>
>>
>> --
>> Wright Huntley - 805 Valley West Cir., Bishop CA 93514
>> whuntley at verizon_net 760 872-3995. Cell 760 937-2276
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