Re: [Killietalk] The "Drake Equation" was RE: Question

[Brian Watters <bwatters at shaw_ca>]

Ken, you cannot legally do what you suggest because it would be an
infringement of copyright and, if you don't believe me, consult a copyright
lawyer. The mere fact that you are an AKA member does not give you the right
to copy and distribute AKA materials. You can make copies for your own,
personal, use but nothing beyond that.
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: killietalk-bounces at aka_org [mailto:killietalk-bounces at aka_org]On
> Behalf Of Ken
> Sent: December 7, 2007 10:56 AM
> To: 'Wright Huntley'; 'killifish discussion list'
> Subject: Re: [Killietalk] The "Drake Equation" was RE: Question
>
>
> Wright, everyone (excuse the multi-long-post, but this is a constructive
> stimulating conversation)
> ...
> If someone (with good intentions or otherwise) has taken ownership of the
> thing, but (for whatever reason) has not delivered unto us what we
> demand/whine about, then we as a club/collective always have the option to
> simply take the thing back by doing it ourselves...
>
> We all know people appreciate a thing a lot more if their own sweat is
> involved (understanding that group "sweat" is often be more bonding than
> divisive, this thing probably shudda been a "open source" deal to begin
> with)...additionally, we also know greed & bargains are good motivators...
>
> So I propose you/we/whomever post all the issues that have already been
> "electronically" converted and proofed... and likewise post a list of any
> missing issues (assuming we are missing any)
>
> Now we offer say 10% off the "final" DVD to anyone submitting "unique" raw
> scanned JAKA's (at a given pre-agreed DPI & image quality)
>
> ...and say offer 33% off for "unique/missing" scanned JAKA's with proofed
> "plain text" along separate raw image files (again of a set given
> standard)
>
> ...and perhaps 50% off for mailing in decent missing back issues
> (naturally
> with a set return date and return postage)
>
> While I doubt we might get 50 people to submit unique/useable material,
> there has got to be some "net gain" using the above proposal for
> a lot less
> individual effort...and so what we discount and/or giveaway a few
> DVD's, how
> much can a plastic DVD cost per unit anyway? (I'm assuming the
> "master" cost
> the same sweat/money whether we make 500 or 5000 copies)...
>
> And granted; I can envision this request for "sweat donations" to
> be a total
> waste of time, but it can't be any more of a waste of time/effort than has
> already been spent at this point
>
> KC <orig. msg. below left whole & intact for context)
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Wright Huntley [mailto:whuntley at verizon_net]
> Sent: Friday, December 07, 2007 1:10 PM
> To: ken_combs at sbcglobal.net; killifish discussion list
> Subject: Re: [Killietalk] The "Drake Equation" was RE: Question
>
> Ken wrote:
> > I thought I'd take a stab at humor as opposed to directly beating up on
> one
> > person or a small group of people over the thing...
> Good stab, Ken. It did lighten things up a bit.
>
> The kind of public collaboration you suggest is done all the time, these
> days in a form called "wikis." [Check with Thuan Nguyen of BAKA if you
> want to help upgrade the current Wikipedia article on killifish.]
>
> The problem is one of objective. I regret that my former post on the
> original thread was taken as sarcasm. My comment as to the rate of
> technology change vs the project progress was dead serious. I was trying
> to point out that the desire of earlier BOTs and a few academic types to
> have a credible academic journal archive in uneditable, permanent form
> was in conflict with Al's and my desire to just have ready access to the
> contents. I do not care if it is on the web, on DVD, or any other
> readily useful form. Just please don't try to deliver it on 3.5"
> floppies. OK? [That was intentional sarcasm, BTW :-) ]
>
> JAKA is not, in general, a scholarly academic refereed journal. It is
> basically a more-sophisticated-than-usual  hobby publication, although
> some of us might like it to be more than that.
>
> I, and I suspect most other authors, don't wish the AKA to act as
> thought police and mess up the results by trying to use technology to
> prevent copying. On the contrary, I have not submitted anything to the
> AKA site gallery, because I simply do not want a "circle c" brand on the
> caudals. The policy has had exactly the opposite results to what was
> intended, at least in my case! I tolerate editing for size and color
> reproduction in a different medium, but not any change in the visual
> image itself. That, quite simply, makes it someone else's work, and not
> mine.
>
> I could care less if someone wants to use my (unaltered) pictures in a
> hobby newsletter, but I'm quite capable of bringing suit if they appear
> in an ad in TFH without my permission. [I like to be asked and given a
> copy, but always say yes for any legitimate hobby purpose.] Wasting
> precious volunteer resources and delaying dissemination of valuable
> information is not a generally good idea (my opinion), when our group is
> so small, and those resources are so limited. This is a matter of
> perspective and I know we all have slightly different views of what our
> hobby represents.
>
> It would make the hobby better for a curious type, like me, if the JAKA
> information was more readily available. It would do little to advance
> the hobby to make the archived JAKA reprints meet all the needs of
> academia (but a nice thing for science and posterity).
>
> I apologize to my good friend Barry, for not making clear that I was
> just trying to point out the above differences in objectives, but in a
> much shorter version. It did sound harsh on re-reading it. ASCII text
> tends to do that, particularly when prepared by an old curmudgeon. :-[
>
> Wright
>
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