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Re: [Killietalk] Question
Hi Guys,
This is just a curiosity. Can Power Point be a viable solution to the problem? It seems that I have seen many presentations utilizing different types of files. Maps, invoices, photos, scanned documents, etc. I am a beginner, but use Power Point presentations during teleconferences. I am pretty sure that I have seen a lot of different types of files as "slides" in as well as added text.
Mark DelRaso
Ken <ken_combs at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Richard, as usual, totally valid reasoning...
I used to work for a "business learning" company and making electronic
documents was their (and to some extent my) forte'...
So I can dig the copyright thing, and can appreciate the search feature, but
this project is stretching the ole "good things come to those who wait"
cliché' to it's limits ;-)
... and right now we got nothing, and I was just thinking just having "raw"
scans/copies is better than nuttin...hey obviously we all can't wait to get
our hands on that thing :-)
...anyway, when this thing is complete, here is hoping nobody gripes and
complains once we do get the polished product
KC
-----Original Message-----
From: killietalk-bounces at aka_org [mailto:killietalk-bounces at aka_org] On
Behalf Of Richard Pierce
Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2007 5:22 PM
To: killifish discussion list
Subject: Re: [Killietalk] Question
I don't know anything about the politics behind the project but it is a very
large undertaking and the final appearance of the project has everything to
do with the usability of the journal archives. You also have to take into
account how rapidly the technology has changed. If the archive had come out
8 years ago it would probably have had a custom interface and there is a
good chance that it would not even be useable on a modern computer.
Scanning the pages and presenting them as simple jpegs would mean that they
would not be searchable. Organizing a bunch of word documents and jpeg
files into a coherent and useful archive is also problematic. Ideally the
original slides would be scanned and presented in color instead of black &
white, and they should also be searchable. Does anyone really want to sit
through page after page of word documents and then have to find the
assocated jpgs? Word documents are not the easiest way to read text on the
computer screen.
As someone who has hundreds of scientific papers in both PDF and physical
forms I can tell you that once you get beyond 50 or a 100 documents,
organization becomes more and more difficult. If you have the paper but
can't find it when you need it, you might as well not even have it. For
killies, you want to be able to search by author, species or genus, and
country of origin at a minimum. Besides species breeding accounts you have
travelog type articles. You should be able to find any species encountered
in these papers also. Here is a question: is it more useful to have one PDF
file per issue or one per article? I think that single articles are better
for research but worse for browsing old issues. Most of the scientific
journals I am familiar with don't have their digital archives go back past
the 90's if they go that far. For a hobby organization to attempt to do
what most professional organizations have rejected as impractical is a major
undertaking. Have there even been any plans of making digital archives of
old TFH, FAMA, Buntbarsche Bulletins etc.? And finally, no matter what the
end product is, there will be some who are unhappy with the results.
Rich Pierce
Massachusetts
-----Original Message-----
From: killietalk-bounces at aka_org [mailto:killietalk-bounces at aka_org]On
Behalf Of Wright Huntley
Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2007 3:43 PM
To: killifish discussion list
Subject: Re: [Killietalk] Question
Al had some good points, but BOT policy, I suspect, has sabotaged things
nearly beyond repair.
AKA has a responsibility to protect the intellectual property of authors
and photographers (by strictly observing copyrights), but they have had
a tendency to treat them as if they were the Great American Novel, or
the newest release of Windoze, worth many millions. The AKA BOT should
never try to be the intellectual property police. It is up to the DVD
(not CD, by the way) buyer to respect the copyright. [HD or Blu-Ray DVD
will be obsolete well before the project is finished, at the present rate.]
Attempting to treat the project as an archival thing, rather than to get
the information into the hands of breeders and other hobbyists has done
little to speed things up.
Unlike Al and Donna, I have not saved my old Journals with any
regularity, so I am possibly more anxious for the project to move ahead
than maybe they are.
I would strongly prefer the information in Word, so I could copy and
paste (within fair-use rules, of course), search, and otherwise actually
use the information. Acrobat makes many uses difficult if not
impossible. Reprints of the Journal are not data sheets or product
manuals that must be protected against spoofing, nor are they binding
legal contracts. Why treat them as such?
I see no reason why simply scanning them into Word and attaching
pictures as JPEGs wouldn't get the job done fairly quickly and easily.
As Al says, it is the information we want. Most of us don't give a xxxx
about what a sixties document actually looked like, or even want to try
to read garbled text on a mottled background.
Just my 2 cents,
Wright
Donna M. Recktenwalt wrote:
> We, too, "way back when", had offered to help out. Our offer wasn't
taken..
> Donna and Tom Recktenwalt
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Al Anderson"
> To: "killifish discussion list"
> Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2007 1:51 PM
> Subject: Re: [Killietalk] Question
>
>
>
>> Dear Dr. Cooper,
>> You have had the project for over 10 years it is about time to get it
>> done!.
>>
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