Re: [Killietalk] Frozen foods

[Mark Delraso <altos at att_net>]

Hi Guys,
   
  Based on what has been said, are the clear larvae any better or worse than the red "blood worms"?  I guess they call them "glass worms" My fish readily take both when I feed frozen.  They appear to be the same larvae.  I have been using the cyclopeeze and can tell you that even the diapterons go nutz for it.
   
  Mark DelRaso
  Indianapolis

Wright Huntley <whuntley at verizon_net> wrote:
  Al Anderson wrote:
> Go collect tubifex sometime and you will wonder how any thing can eat them 
> while they live let alone frozen.
> Tubifex live under conditions that are polluted and are there for a poor 
> fish food because of the various pathogens they carry. Some of the tubifex 
> that is imported is collected from open sewers that contain human waste. 
> What was that in your brine shrimp net. How do they store bacteria? I think 
> they freeze it. Also blood worms are harvested from pools where pig waste is 
> treated. I wonder how well they are washed and where does the washing water 
> comes from. No wonder people like myself get sick when we handle frozen or 
> freeze dried blood worms.
> Ok now all you big guys with the PhD's tell me how full of BS I am off list 
> or on list if they will let you.
> 
Hey Al,

My doctorate happens to be in divinity, not philosophy, but I still 
enjoy telling you where to get off. :-)

Yes, tubifex are basically sewer worms that have a lot more hemoglobin 
than black worms and are thus able to live with much lower oxygen in the 
water. That's why they are more red. They also cannot breathe through 
their tails, like black worms, so have to get all their oxygen out of 
solution.

A few days purge in clean running water clears their gut and takes 
unwanted bacteria down to acceptable levels. Fire any vendor who doesn't 
do that for you.

Blood worms, OTOH, are not worms, and are midge-fly larvae (like 
mosquito wrigglers but with more hemoglobin, so able to stand more 
pollution). They make people sick because they are powerfully allergenic 
to some folks. The reaction is an allergy, and not from any infection. 
Freeze drying kills bacteria, but doesn't remove the substances that 
cause the allergic reaction.

You won't catch me trying to collect tubifex. They thrive in truly nasty 
conditions. CA banned their import from Mexico, so we cannot get them 
here any more, anyway.

I do catch and feed all the blood worms I find in my outdoor tubs. So 
far, I have not had an adverse reaction to them, but am aware that they 
can be rough on you if you do become sensitized.

See, I only accused you of being partially full of BS, this time. Is 
that a record for me? :-)

Wright

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