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Re: [Killietalk] Egg Incubation... Peat vs Water

Ken are you boiling that peat or even rinsing it under hot water??
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ken" <ken_combs at sbcglobal.net>
To: "'Richard Pierce'" <rwpierce at att_net>; "'killifish discussion list'" 
<killietalk at aka_org>
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 10:33 PM
Subject: Re: [Killietalk] Egg Incubation... Peat vs Water


> Yeah, for whatever reason when I place any biv/bit/polakiOTOP, seems 6-7
> days OTOP = black mush...might be a temperature thing, but I gave up...
> More goofy things:
> I can't do cinnamomeous in peat, nor oeseri, nor GAR Akure
> Visa versa for deltaense & fallax...
>
> ...but I wonder if trying conjicum in/on peat might make things a lil 
> easier
> (thus far zero luck with those unless I use soft/acidic water)
>
>
> KC
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Richard Pierce [mailto:rwpierce at att_net]
> Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 7:14 PM
> To: ken_combs at sbcglobal.net; killifish discussion list
> Subject: RE: [Killietalk] Egg Incubation... Peat vs Water
>
> Hi Ken,
>
> I don't think that the problem is necessarily with BIV's but that mailing
> the eggs often doesn't work.  I suspect that eggs packed in peat are 
> subject
> to more rapid and severe temperature swings than fish in water usually 
> are.
> I also wonder if the changes in air pressure with mailed packages damages
> the eggs.  My success rate with eggs received through the mail is roughly
> 50-50, including eggs from reputable sellers.  I have successfully 
> received
> eggs of a variety of species through the mail in peat including Biv's.  I
> have found that eggs received from Hawaii have usually done better than 
> eggs
> from Europe or Asia, but I don't think that this is any fault of the
> sellers.
>
> Rich Pierce
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: killietalk-bounces at aka_org [mailto:killietalk-bounces at aka_org]On
> Behalf Of Ken
> Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 3:11 PM
> To: 'killifish discussion list'
> Subject: Re: [Killietalk] Egg Incubation... Peat vs Water
>
>
> Just throwing in another 2 cents...
> I'm not 100% certain every killie species can be successful in/on or near
> peat...I've tried a few of the BIV's & BIT's via AB or sent them through
> mail using peat or tried to "mass hatch" using peat, and every time I got
> black mushy thingies (or in the case of some Aquabid eggs: nada)...
>
> Just speculating perhaps that certain species (esp. w/short incubation
> times) may be best solely in water (I think you could add oeseri to that
> list also)
>
> KC
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: killietalk-bounces+ken_combs=sbcglobal.net at aka.org
> [mailto:killietalk-bounces+ken_combs=sbcglobal.net at aka.org] On Behalf Of
> Richard Pierce
> Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 8:44 AM
> To: killifish discussion list
> Subject: Re: [Killietalk] Egg Incubation... Peat vs Water
>
> Hi Pablo,
>
> I have received Aphyosemion eggs in peat through the mail and put them in
> water right away.  I try to pick as many eggs out of the peat as I can and
> incubate in water so I can monitor development.  I have found that eggs
> received in the mail can take longer than expected to hatch.  The main
> disadvantage to wetting the eggs early is that hatching may be staggered
> over a couple of weeks rather than all at once.
>
> With the eggs you pick from your own fish, I don't see any advantage to
> putting them on peat for only a few days vs. a couple of weeks, but they
> should be fine.
>
> On a different topic: is anyone still keeping Pantanodon stuhlmanni?
>
> Rich Pierce
> Massachusetts
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: killietalk-bounces at aka_org [mailto:killietalk-bounces at aka_org]On
> Behalf Of Pablo Robles
> Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 8:08 AM
> To: killifish discussion list
> Subject: Re: [Killietalk] Egg Incubation... Peat vs Water
>
>
> Going back to one of my original questions... can I switch to water
> incubation once they've been sitting in peat for some time? My plan
> would be to let them sit in peat for a few days until I remove all
> fungused eggs... then let them finish the process in water.
>
> Pablo
>
> rfeilzer at aol_com wrote:
>> Back in my pre-pupfish days, I incubated all Aphyosemion and
> Fundulopanchax eggs on top of saturated peat in a sealed container,
> specifically a specimen container.? The peat was soaked to the point that 
> if
> you held it upside down no water would run off unless you pressed on it.? 
> I
> would place the eggs on the surface and cover.? The incubation time was 
> not
> specifcally longer, usually two weeks as in water?but the main advantage 
> was
> you could generally get all the eggs to hatch at the same time.? They were
> placed in a container of water and usually hatched without any additional
> forcing.? The beauty was that if an eggs was infertile or died it could be
> easily removed before the fungus could affect any of the other eggs.
>>
>> Russ on the?sunny Central Coast of Cali
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Pablo Robles <roblepl at gmail_com>
>> To: killifish discussion list <killietalk at aka_org>
>> Sent: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 1:20 pm
>> Subject: [Killietalk] Egg Incubation... Peat vs Water
>>
>>
>>
>> Hello My Killie-Friends:
>>
>> I recently have tried to water incubate some gardneri eggs in water and
>> even though all eggs showed development... only one hatched out of 20+
>> eggs... the fry hatched with what seemed like a big yolk sack. It seemed
>> like the fry never developed completely. it died a couple of days later
>> and microworms didn't stimulated the other eggs to hatch. I am trying
>> now to peat incubate them this time around. I read some time ago that I
>> should wait one month for the eggs to develop in the case of australes.
>> Does the same time frame applies to gardneri? I also received some
>> scheeli eggs from Spain in peat. How much should I wait? Can I water
>> incubate eggs once they've been in peat for a week or so?
>>
>> thanks,
>>
>> Pablo
>> Ponce, Puerto Rico
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